SC2 E-Sports Thread

[Maguspk]

Cool it's counterable because you say it is. Just tell July that I'm sure he'd love to know that.

[Kaylia]

I'm curious to see what would happen if Hydra and roaches were swapped around. Make burrow research tier 1, and automatically gives roaches tunneling Claws like infestor.


It wouldnt really change endgame, but I think it would add more variety in the ZvP opening. It would also make FF slightly less powerful, but not completely useless.

[Foxer]

Well there goes walling in.

[Thunder]

Forcefields certainly aren't "counterable" that early in the game and both MC and July have to be familiar with those timings. I think it was on July to force engagements away from ramps since they always work against the zerg, be it their own or the opponent's.

I'm pretty sure July just really screwed up badly in each game(I didn't watch them all for the record) that he let MC fight by his ramp/narrow paths in front of his main. Which means there isn't some glaring imbalance in PvZ. In my opinion, anyway.

Also, with all the success of "hyperaggresivezergz" I'd like to see the results off zergs who cut probes/scvs like T/P do for timing attacks or to defend against those timing attacks. They'll catch a lot of flak from the dumb part of the community, like morrow, for winning with "all-in"s but fuck 'em.

[synistar]

Biggest problem about fighting in the open during early game/pre-lair tech is lack of creep. Roaches are required to fight on creep else be kited by stalkers. Speedlings fare a bit better but as usual, too fragile. Turtle style may work with spines, but who knows after that point. May be asking for toss deathball by that point if you're not putting on any pressure.

[Salodin]

Tunneling claws going auto would just kill anything Toss can do early game.

[Maguspk]

Tunneling claws going auto would just kill anything Toss can do early game.

Obviously doesn't know how slow roaches are burrowed and that protoss can get observer easily without deviating from normal builds.

[Bweigelt]

Obviously doesn't know how slow roaches are burrowed and that protoss can get observer easily without deviating from normal builds.

Going for early obs in PvZ is a death sentence against roach heavy builds. It would be even worse if they came with tunneling claws. That's a ton of gas that could have gone to sentries which are what everyone bitches about.

[Thunder]

lol@seriously discussing a what-if scenario. Don't, it gets everybody nowhere since the game you're talking about doesn't exist.

[Misuicide]

Anyone watching the TSL?
http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/TeamLiquidTV Adellscott just raped IM.MVP

[Misuicide]

Spoiler: show

QXC > Genious an EPIC game 2

[GRT]

caught tail end of that one

but genius vs qxc game 2 was EPIC

[Misuicide]

DAY OF THE COMEBACKS HOLY SHIT LOL

[Thunder]

Does anyone know if the lag is really the same between EU/KR when played on the NA server? I know the casters say it, but they can't exactly say things that make the event look bad.
I know Idra's said KR lag is > EU lag on the NA server. And MC said he went for void ray/colossus to 1a win. But again, I'm just not sure.

Games are great though, TSL has probably been my favorite event to watch. No 5 minute breaks after every two games, free HQ stream, great players, and no cheesy games for the most part.

I'm not jumping on the husky hate bandwagon.. but he could improve as a caster so much if he just plays it like tasteless and keeps quiet about strategy.

[Bweigelt]

The lag is a little worse for KR, but Jinro has said it's still playable and not nearly as bad as has been claimed. It's not like any of these games have been lost because of lag anyway.

[Maguspk]

It's not even Husky's interpretation that is the most annoying, it's his damn voice. Everything he says sounds the same, he just goes through canned responses with a retarded pause in some points with high energy vocals.

I don't care that he gets views on YouTube, he's a terrible caster and I wish they didn't use him.

[Bweigelt]

Ok Naniwa waiting for his templar to get enough energy for storm and them proceeding to storm himself is going to live on forever. That shit was hilarious.

[Misuicide]

^ This. Also i think Husky is a fine caster. If you can do better Magus then you do it, otherwise don't complain. Husky brings a lot to Esports, he may not be the best, but he is definatly very entertaining. He gives back more than anyone else.

[Dezzimal]

I think it'll just take some time before a lot of the casters come into their own. With Brood War almost every single caster for the last ~5yrs was a former professional level player who was in tons of tournaments. Nobody has close to that level of experience yet, and nobody of note has really "retired from SC2 progaming" yet either.

Chill is in master league, and was a former brood war pro who has a fair amount of tournament experience with BW, but not SC2, including beating a chinese progamer at a tournament in Korea.

Husky is in diamond league, doesn't have experience playing in tourneys, and has not played professionally. However he does spend tons and tons of time casting and interacting with the community and game through other channels.

[Thunder]

He's a fine caster, no doubt. Just like tasteless is. They both cater to the "noobie" which is why Husky has such a huge following(most people are dumb). But the difference is tasteless lets artosis speak to strategy while tasteless tells the viewers what's happening. Not why. Husky tries to interpret why players are doing what they're doing and he sounds pretty clueless.

He obviously has to do that for his youtube crap but someone needs to tell him that viewers of a TSL/bigger tourny don't want to hear his take on strategy.