Post Pictures of Your Gear XIII: You're Doin' It Wrong

[Clash Perez]

Using the default mob settings, turning atmas off, and using the same build i mentioned, which is definitely a true 5hit, i'm getting an increase in overall DPS going from carbonara - needed for 5hit - to yellow curry. So, basically, it's saying 1 str 20 attack, using the exact same build, but 6hit, is better than the 5hit with carbonara.

What build are you using? I'm seeing the opposite effect.

[EjinCaitsith]

What build are you using? I'm seeing the opposite effect.

Masa/Rose/.../W.Tath
Zelus/Unkai/Unkai/Brutal
Unkai+2/Dusk+1/Rajas/Hoard
Tactical/Bullwhip/Unkai+2/Ace's
+ Carbonara

20.9 tp hit, needs 16.4 tp return for 5hit, both WS sets i'm using give 16.7 tp return.

Edit: Nevermind, you're correct. I didn't change head to Zelus. It's definitely noticing the change in stp. Although, it's saying 6hit RCB is better than 5hit carbonara - using the exact same gear. Food for thought, i guess.

Edit2: The build above would still be the best for low defense mobs, as far as 5hits go. But, i can see what you're onto, and it seems, under capped haste situations, the strongest 6hit will beat out the strongest 5hit, by about 2.7%(for the sets i compared, anyways).

[Kamil]

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u...Yata/ninws.jpg

Outside Hi set. Don't really know how to gear for this so I just put some stuff together.

[Deader2818]

That looks like you are lacking a lot of agi....

[Kamil]

Thought it was better to cap dex and str before agi

[Draylo]

lol

[NynJa]

He did say "Outside Abyssea", incase it was missed.

[Kidnoftle]

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u...Yata/ninws.jpg

Outside Hi set. Don't really know how to gear for this so I just put some stuff together.

maats on head if you have it, body loki's, back (not sure) atheling, assuming earrings are centaurus/brutal, hachiryu feet if you can get them. All of those changes should increase avg ws dmg over what you have now

[Deader2818]

Sorry, didnt think you need that much dex to cap ddex outside of abyssea.

[Konda]

http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/115606
That set works pretty well for me outside Abyssea. Only +47 AGI, but the highest possible Crit rate is more important imo, along with a health chunk of attack.

Inside I use:
http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/115613 when attack is capped (serk or drink+rcb) vs medium-low DEF mobs.

and http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/93694 when no serk or vs higher lv monsters. I need to work on this set a little bit though, the lower acc is kinda noticable at times vs high level mobs. However, you really notice the extra attack.

[Nemesio]

So outside Abyssea, Iga back trumps Atheling?

[Kidnoftle]

I would keep loki's over iga body; idk how you can swing such a large acc loss by using vhelm (although I guess w/ iga body that compensates).

[Nightfyre]

Thought it was better to cap dex and str before agi

dDEX yes, fSTR not necessarily. fSTR can be treated as a ~30% mod before considering attack from STR so at a 1:1 ratio AGI is going to be better, especially if you're capping fSTR.

So outside Abyssea, Iga back trumps Atheling?

depends

[kamugi]

I would keep loki's over iga body;

+Crit rate is really the best modifier for the ws outside abyssea. Basically speaking, making the hits on blade hi (or jin) crit easily double the damage of the WS. Outside abyssea I think its best to gear for +crit rate, and iga body+2 has tons of dex and +5% crit rate. I've parsed a bit outside abyssea and compared my inside/outside blade hi builds, the outside blade hi build easily does 300+ more average then the inside build while outside abyssea.
Here's mine:
http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/197128
http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/197129

[Konda]

oh snap, I didnt know that tiger mask existed

[kamugi]

oh snap, I didnt know that tiger mask existed

Leonine mask is amazing for hi, and no one knows it exists lol, so don't feel to bad.

[Kidnoftle]

Maat's would still be better for capping fstr, ddex, and 7wsc to boot? And loki's excels mostly because its 11wsc and 11dex towards capping ddex, the crit dmg+% is just a bonus

Edit: Looking at your sets for inside abyssea, aren't hopetorque/sveltesse superior pieces unless you're hurting for acc?

[kamugi]

Maat's would still be better for capping fstr, ddex, and 7wsc to boot? And loki's excels mostly because its 11wsc and 11dex towards capping ddex, the crit dmg+% is just a bonus

Edit: Looking at your sets for inside abyssea, aren't hopetorque/sveltesse superior pieces unless you're hurting for acc?

As a mithra, with that set, I have 133 dex, that really should cap my ddex. Maat's cap isnt good for anything but warping to Jeuno IMO. If I needed more dex I wouldn't remove crit rate+3% to get 7 dex, I would look elsewhere. (especially since the whole point of using so much dex is to increase critical hit rate (~.~; ) why give up 1 of the 3 items around that do that?) Leonine mask also has 3str/agl so Maat's is only a 4 stat boost, which is 2.4 WSC.

Loki's is also not an 11 WSC boost, it's 6.6, and AF3+2 body is 12 STR 17 ATT (and more dex then Loki's, 12) as well as 5% crit rate, all of which helps a lot outside of abyssea. It's hard to say exactly how much +crit rate helps since it is not known how much of a crit rate increase you really gain from these weapon skills, but the point still stands that blade hi sucks when you don't get crits, so +crit rate is very useful. Crit damage+ isn't useful if you don't get crits! If you want to math it out and prove I am incorrect, go for it, I wouldn't mind confirmation that my way is or is not best, but I don't want to math it out (for everyone else) in case I messed up something, I could have forgotten to do something or other and don't want to unnecessarily look like an idiot like pchan or people who say mythic drg is better then ukon war or something~

Hope torque would be better with low attack compared to the mobs defense, but that belt would most likely never be useful, the 5 agl 5 str belt(or is it 6/6?) would be better then it since my fstr isn't capped since I don't use a str atma. I'm not sure when that belt is actually better, but I know in low attack situations anguines or whatever the 15acc/att 1DA belt would be better then soil. Those are also the gear sets I use, not what I wish I had, and I don't have hope torque~ lol

[Kidnoftle]

Loki's is also not an 11 WSC boost, it's 6.6, and AF3+2 body is 12 STR 17 ATT (and more dex then Loki's, 12) as well as 5% crit rate, all of which helps a lot outside of abyssea. It's hard to say exactly how much +crit rate helps since it is not known how much of a crit rate increase you really gain from these weapon skills, but the point still stands that blade hi sucks when you don't get crits, so +crit rate is very useful. Crit damage+ isn't useful if you don't get crits! If you want to math it out and prove I am incorrect, go for it, I wouldn't mind confirmation that my way is or is not best, but I don't want to math it out in case I messed up something~

Hope torque would be better with low attack compared to the mobs defense, but that belt would most likely never be useful, the 5 agl 5 str belt(or is it 6/6?) would be better then it since my fstr isn't capped since I don't use a str atma. I'm not sure when that belt is actually better, but I know in low attack situations anguines or whatever the 15acc/att 1DA belt would be better then soil. Those are also the gear sets I use, not what I wish I had, and I don't have hope torque~ lol

On the lokis thing I meant to type agi then typed wsc, saveface, herpaderp, or w.e. Am I missing something or did you forget to apply alpha to 6.6? So w/ capped ddex in that set you're @ 28% crit rate on ws, sacrificing body would probably not harm fstr and add ws mods as well as 5% dmg boost to crits while bringing down your crit rate to 23% (not applying "crit bonus on ws" because I think it was debunked? If not, then 33%). I would probably opt into loki's for low-mid def mobs (salvage, dyna, etc) and use iga ningi+2 for everything else I guess? And I think you're right, leonine is better. I don't have anguinus either but I think that would be best belt outside of abyssea to allow for rcb.

I'm probably missing something pretty big, please correct me. I'll PM you w/ a complete comparison if I can get to it.

Edit: you would still probably cap ddex on most things using usukane legs over byakkos too, no?

[kamugi]

On the lokis thing I meant to type agi then typed wsc

I knew that, but I wasn't sure if other people who might read this would, so I felt the need to correct it.

Am I missing something or did you forget to apply alpha to 6.6?

I have no idea what you mean here~ If you mean "Did you forget to drop the .6, I did not, I simply left it because sometimes it would be 6, sometimes 7, depending on other gear/stats/etc and saying 6.6 is just better IMO.

So w/ capped ddex in that set you're @ 28% crit rate on ws, sacrificing body would probably not harm fstr and add ws mods as well as 5% dmg boost to crits while bringing down your crit rate to 23% (not applying "crit bonus on ws" because I think it was debunked? If not, then 33%). I would probably opt into loki's for low-mid def mobs (salvage, dyna, etc) and use iga ningi+2 for everything else I guess?

Looking at AF3+2 body and Loki's outside Abyssea.
12 STR and 17 ATT is going to increase damage around the same amount 11 AGL will, depending on other buffs, and what you're fighting, either can be better. Ninja does not have huge attack, so unless you're getting chaos roll/minuets, the STR/ATT will be better. Again, if someone wants to math this out and tell us all the point where the AGL becomes better, go for it, but ninja is usually not going to be there, even with the way the game is now and everything being pretty low lvl, unless you get minuets/chaos.
For the second part, if your Crit rate is only 23% Loki's body is only a 1.15% damage increase (from critcal hits) at 33% crit rate its 1.65% damage increase. Compared to doubling your damage 5% of the time, It seems obvious to me that crit damage +5% is the weaker modifier.

Edit: you would still probably cap ddex on most things using usukane legs over byakkos too, no?

The only thing I know for sure is greater colibri are pretty weak, and they require 117 DEX to cap dDEX on. I was aiming for 15 above this, so I could be pretty confident I am at capped dDEX while fighting most things outside abyssea. I am sure I need slightly more then this for NMs and things, and I have an extra 16 DEX to macro in (cuchu belt, 7dex ring, 3dex earring) for such occasions. To answer your question though, I do not have usukane legs, and I wouldn't use them if I did, byakkos are just to much dex to pass up IMO.

EDIT: I just realized switching my 10 agl boots for 6dex/agl boots is a better trade off then my 7 agl ring for a 7 dex ring =[