What's Better?

[shepardG]

for DNC weaponskills: pyrrhic kleos and the new shiney Rudra's storm
which is better: tumbler trunks or matre bragezenn

there's been a debate where we cant find the balance between dex and attack and at what point you would favor dex.

Can't speak much for rudras, but im almost certain that tumblers will be your best bet. PK's mods are DEX&CHR, and it doesn't crit. As attack on DNC is still some what hard to come by, +18 as well as+ 10 to the modifiers of the WS can't currently be beat, afaik.

[Darkmagi]

Abyssea wise you should pretty much exclusively be using evisceration (assuming you have razed ruins atma), just fyi if you don't know this already.

[Byrthnoth]

Can't speak much for rudras, but im almost certain that tumblers will be your best bet. PK's mods are DEX&CHR, and it doesn't crit. As attack on DNC is still some what hard to come by, +18 as well as+ 10 to the modifiers of the WS can't currently be beat, afaik.

PK's mods are technically listed as STR and DEX, but I've always been a little suspicious. Regardless, the answer is Tumbler's.

[Aurara]

what do you guys think is better for slugshot/det on cor: r.acc+4 3 str or AGI+6/6STP?

[Bling]

Looking for a good gear set for Ascetic's Fury in abyssea. I will most likely be using RR/SS atmas, full furtherance, and won't have any other buffs. I have a lot of junk to choose from, just wondering what people are having good luck with (STR/VIT, DEX Crit+, etc.). I'm especially wondering about anwig w/ 4str 2% ws+ vs. genbu vs. ??? and ginhaku togi/kote vs. ??? and what would be best for neck. Thanks~

[Tsuko_Asura]

Saw lots of information regarding thief's dagger hierarchy, but not mention of dancer. I'd imagine DEX Kila +1 gained a bit of ground with the boost to Evisceration, but I'm not sure how it stacks up against everything else.

For realism's sake, I'll limit my options to: DEX and STR Kila +1, Auric Dagger, OA2-3 Parazonium +1, and Dakka +1

[Byrthnoth]

* Depending on your buffs, STR or DEX daggers are both good main-hand DD choices. I only got one, and I got the DEX/Acc one. The Acc of a body armor in one of your hands, useful, because Rapparree sure isn't making you any more accurate.
* Auric has fallen by the way-side as a DD option for DNC, but it's still useful when you want to be TP efficient (Subtle Blow +10). However, it lowers your delay 5% at the same time so it's less amazing in that department than it could be. I'd use an STP Fusetto +1 instead.
* OA2-3 Parazonium +1 is still the best TP gain around in an offhand. It's useful whenever you're outside of Abyssea healing a party (or inside Abyssea healing a party that doesn't have good mages).
* Daka +1 isn't really worth getting in my opinion. Rudra's Storm looks like a 2-hit Evisceration, which is useful for Thief but not really for Dancer except for the rare case when you want to double dark.

Basically, I'd knock Auric and Daka +1 off your list of potential daggers and add an STP Fusetto +1.

[Nightfyre]

What are your thoughts on the defense down dagger?

[yunalaysca]

* Daka +1 isn't really worth getting in my opinion. Rudra's Storm looks like a 2-hit Evisceration, which is useful for Thief but not really for Dancer except for the rare case when you want to double dark.

actually, i haven't really sat down to kill like 500 mobs to test the exact but, if you use climactic flourish before your ws the first hit on the ws will be a force crit, and with af3 head you get like 10%? boost to the dmg when you're under climax status. im showing about twice the dmg when i used climax before RS.

[Arcien]

Hi,

Which one is better atma combos if I want to focus on critical damage in Abyssea?

Razed Ruin + Sanguine Scythe

vs

Razed Ruin + Gnarled Horn

Thank you.

[Darkmagi]

actually, i haven't really sat down to kill like 500 mobs to test the exact but, if you use climactic flourish before your ws the first hit on the ws will be a force crit, and with af3 head you get like 10%? boost to the dmg when you're under climax status. im showing about twice the dmg when i used climax before RS.

Climactic flourish is almost always counter productive compared to using reverse flourish.

[yunalaysca]

Climactic flourish is almost always counter productive compared to using reverse flourish.

you only need 1 finishing move for climactic, and when the damage difference of 1 ws with the affect outweighs the dmg of 1.75 ws without it, i would chose climactic.

[Motenten]

Hi,

Which one is better atma combos if I want to focus on critical damage in Abyssea?

Razed Ruin + Sanguine Scythe

vs

Razed Ruin + Gnarled Horn

Thank you.

Simplistic estimation:

Crit rate with RR: 54%

Assuming cRatio of 1.3:

Damage: 46 * 1.3 + 54 * 2.3 * 1.3 = 221.26

+SS:

Damage: 46 * 1.3 + 54 * 2.3 * 1.6 = 258.52

Therefore GH needs a crit rate high enough to add 37.26 damage with a 1.3 crit damage multiplier. That damage has to be drawn from the non-crit pool.

N * 2.3 * 1.3 - N * 1.3 = 37.26

N * 1.3 * (2.3 - 1)
N * 1.3 * 1.3 = 37.26
N = 22.05

As cRatio goes up, the required additional crit rate goes up as well.

Essentially, an atma would have to give an additional +30% crit rate to be assured of being better than SS. Since GH is a 'minor' crit rate increase, it's most likely a 10% boost. SS handily wins.

[Soho]

For Drakesbane with VV and RR Atmas, Strigoi Ring or Jupiter's Ring with Attack +6 Augment on it?

If the rest of my gear matters, here's a link to Current Drakesbane Set. Feel free to tell me anything else you'd change.

[Rellikard]

STP or WS DMG+10% GA?

[Raen Ryong]

For Drakesbane with VV and RR Atmas, Strigoi Ring or Jupiter's Ring with Attack +6 Augment on it?

If the rest of my gear matters, here's a link to Current Drakesbane Set. Feel free to tell me anything else you'd change.

I'd use Strigoi personally. The odds that Jupiter's Ring are going to do anything significant to Drakesbane after RR are incredibly slim - negligable. Your DRG may not be capped fSTR with Strigoi and if it is, you still have a 50% STR mod that never caps.

I could be wrong though~ crit WS math has always annoyed me.

EDIT: sTP vs WS damage 2hander is always the same question:

Can you reach a lower "x-hit" (or lower "x-hit" with 2%+ more Haste) with the sTP one? If so, sTP. If not, WS damage.

[Fallyn]

EDIT: sTP vs WS damage 2hander is always the same question:

Can you reach a lower "x-hit" (or lower "x-hit" with 2%+ more Haste) with the sTP one? If so, sTP. If not, WS damage.

Or wit hthe way the trials are going; if you can't reach Xhit now, chances are next trial updates you will be able to, so might be worth doing anyway over WSDMG.

[Enedin]

Or wit hthe way the trials are going; if you can't reach Xhit now, chances are next trial updates you will be able to, so might be worth doing anyway over WSDMG.

I'll x-hit your face. But true, been looking into x-hit builds (on DRK though), and I'm holding off making any rash decisions atm.

[Raen Ryong]

5hit with Reckoning +1 is somewhat trivial provided you own a Rose Strap. Hoard Ring will let you hit 5hit iirc, but this is obviously not the ideal way of reaching it due to loss of Blitz Ring. Ideal would be along the lines of White Tathlum + Ace's Sabatons + Pole Grip, Goading Belt perhaps etc...

[Yugl]

I'd use Strigoi personally. The odds that Jupiter's Ring are going to do anything significant to Drakesbane after RR are incredibly slim - negligable. Your DRG may not be capped fSTR with Strigoi and if it is, you still have a 50% STR mod that never caps.

I could be wrong though~ crit WS math has always annoyed me.

EDIT: sTP vs WS damage 2hander is always the same question:

Can you reach a lower "x-hit" (or lower "x-hit" with 2%+ more Haste) with the sTP one? If so, sTP. If not, WS damage.

He might cap out fSTR quicker simply because of his current weapon (OAT; not a high base DMG lance).