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    War af3+2 feet or clout boots on crit WS and when 2hr fell cleaving(not that it matters) for WAR? I usually go with VV/RR unless I'm tanking something like bukhis.

    Edit: E.body vs Perle vs Askar vs DA2/Crit3 nuevo for Raging Rush?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Villian View Post
    War af3+2 feet or clout boots on crit WS and when 2hr fell cleaving(not that it matters) for WAR? I usually go with VV/RR unless I'm tanking something like bukhis.
    Until I can figure out exactly what the enhances retal does, and if it requires you to keep the feet on or not, I figure might as well full time them because it's not like they're bad at all regardless, and it seems to be like a 10% increase in retal rate from what I can tell.

    Edit: E.body vs Perle vs Askar vs DA2/Crit3 nuevo for Raging Rush?
    In Abyssea? Assuming capped ddex?

    With capped att:
    Grim >= Zahak's > Ares >= Perle >= E.body

    Without capped att:

    Grim > Ares > Ebody

    I think. It's pretty damn hard to tell at this point how much we benefit from +crit% on crit ws that are critting every swing most of the time anyway.

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    This is vital to my ability to play FFXI effectively:

    Guinness Extra Stout or Murphy's Irish Stout? (Let's face it, regular Guinness may as well be called "black water".)

    Also, Atmas for use with Quietus-spam (in before 'level a useful DD'...): RR/VV for better DoT, or VV/Chloris to boost WS damage/slightly increase WS rate? Just assume I'm a mediocre DRK who'll be sitting on 19~20% haste w/ mixed gear by the time I get around to finally finishing my scythe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neisan View Post
    I'd use Esto Chap for slow/para/lolblind and duelist's for anything without potency. I still carry duelist's around for idling in refresh but if you have a refresh hairpin Chappel+1/2 isn't a bad replacement barring the Bakka Drop. Relic hat+1 is pure whitebox really.
    Orly? lest we forget there are still some things can can resist! Like Cuelebre and that D.hat +1 still does give a bit of mind

    granted not many things resist a decently geared rdm these days but there are still a few!

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    Eh, anything that resists might as well have immunity... my accuracy on slow/para on mobs not immune hasn't dropped low enough to warrant my max enfeebling set yet. Even if first cast fails second typically lands, save Cirein-Croin where it dropped to about... 70-80% for Para at 3/5 merits.

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    Kind of wondering about what to setup for an Ishikirimaru (100DMG 480 DLY GKT) to get 5 hit setup - right now my gear is as follows (and full sTP merits):

    Wahlarha Turban
    Pole Grip
    Threw Bomblet
    PCC
    Brutal/Kemas Earrings
    Perle Hauberk
    Hachiman Kote
    Rajas Ring
    Sniper's +1
    Forager's Mantle
    Swift Belt
    Byakko's Haidate (7/8 on the Unkai Haidate, quest being a real cockblocker atm)
    Fuma Sune Ate

    I'm not a mathologist, so I need to really understand how all this works - I had no problems hitting 6 hit with a hagun on this particular setup - and no, I don't have access to a Bushinomimi.

    If I have the whole thing guessed right, it's+54 Store TP for me to get to 5 hit? I know merits are +35, Rajas is 5, Brutal is 1, Hachiman Kote is 8, for a total of 49 sTP. I need to find a way to make up the other 5 STP to get to 5 hit, correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zansho View Post
    Kind of wondering about what to setup for an Ishikirimaru (100DMG 480 DLY GKT) to get 5 hit setup - right now my gear is as follows (and full sTP merits):

    Wahlarha Turban
    Pole Grip
    Threw Bomblet
    PCC
    Brutal/Kemas Earrings
    Perle Hauberk
    Hachiman Kote
    Rajas Ring
    Sniper's +1
    Forager's Mantle
    Swift Belt
    Byakko's Haidate (7/8 on the Unkai Haidate, quest being a real cockblocker atm)
    Fuma Sune Ate

    I'm not a mathologist, so I need to really understand how all this works - I had no problems hitting 6 hit with a hagun on this particular setup - and no, I don't have access to a Bushinomimi.

    If I have the whole thing guessed right, it's+54 Store TP for me to get to 5 hit? I know merits are +35, Rajas is 5, Brutal is 1, Hachiman Kote is 8, for a total of 49 sTP. I need to find a way to make up the other 5 STP to get to 5 hit, correct?
    You were missing 5 extra sTP from your old hagun setup (If you used Dusk instead of Hachiman gloves), most people cover that with Usu boots, or Askar body if they're capped on Acc and want to keep haste from hands or boots, or rose strap and chiv chain as a third option. You need a total of +11 in gear if you have capped sTP merits to get 6-hit on 450 delay.

    As for Ishi, you want to complete your Unkai legs, that's +5 off the bat. That's your +5 you need for that setup but you'd have to WS in Hachi hands and Unkai Legs to keep it, unless you somehow got the same amount on WS.

    Edit: I misread your initial comment about 6-hit on hagun, fixed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plow View Post
    Until I can figure out exactly what the enhances retal does, and if it requires you to keep the feet on or not, I figure might as well full time them because it's not like they're bad at all regardless, and it seems to be like a 10% increase in retal rate from what I can tell.
    AF3+2 feet give +10% Critical Hit damage, so they're worth using on WS. Their Retaliation Boost was shown to be an increase in base damage or a damage multiplier (my +1s are approximately +~10% base damage, don't have +2s), not necessarily proc rate.

    I agree with your body Hierarchy.

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    So whats the best Blade: Hi setup? Is it best to stack as much agi as possible? or do you use attack and strength as well?

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    Stack WSC mods only since normally fstr and attack is capped (assuming abyssea buffs and VV). Was another mod on it found besides agi? Regardless, yeah I'd stick with Agi after capping wsacc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by firefeng View Post
    This is vital to my ability to play FFXI effectively:

    Guinness Extra Stout or Murphy's Irish Stout? (Let's face it, regular Guinness may as well be called "black water".)

    Also, Atmas for use with Quietus-spam (in before 'level a useful DD'...): RR/VV for better DoT, or VV/Chloris to boost WS damage/slightly increase WS rate? Just assume I'm a mediocre DRK who'll be sitting on 19~20% haste w/ mixed gear by the time I get around to finally finishing my scythe.
    Guinness Extra Stout is better by a little bit. Murphy's isn't bad though.

  12. #892
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    Scored an Anguinus Belt earlier, and I guess I'm pondering when it could be better than Warwolf. Have DRK, THF, BST, RDM, WAR, SAM, and BLU leveled of its available jobs. Pretty much have the major DD atmas covered and both Furtherance abyssites, too. WS gear varies a bit in quality amongst the jobs, but I'd probably say I'm above average all around. In general, I'm thinking multi-hit WS, while sticking to Warwolf for singles. Though THF's a bit trickier considering DEX on SA, too.

  13. #893
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    Vermeil Bhuj or Barbarus Bhuj?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zephr View Post
    Vermeil Bhuj or Barbarus Bhuj?
    Assuming you keep the same x-hit build with both Gaxes, Barbarus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plow View Post
    With capped att:
    Grim >= Zahak's > Ares >= Perle >= E.body
    I'm not seeing it, math is below so correct me if I'm doing something wrong. All 5 str is giving you is 2 base damage if you are lucky, 1 if you aren't. Even assuming it does give 2, that's still less than going from 64% crit rate to 67% crit rate when you have +45% crit damage. Even dropping down to perle instead of zahaks, 7 damage is still only giving you 2 base damage 90% of the time, which still doesn't even beat 2% crit rate.

    base damage * 3hit + gorget * double attack * pdif * crit bonus

    ebody:
    (108 + 20 + 71) * 3.1 * 1.25 * (2.2 * 0.36 + 3.0 * 0.64) * (1.45 * 0.64 + 1.0 * 0.36)
    2693.582807999999

    grim:
    (108 + 20 + 73) * 3.1 * 1.25 * (2.2 * 0.36 + 3.0 * 0.64) * (1.45 * 0.64 + 1.0 * 0.36)
    2720.653991999999

    zahak:
    (108 + 20 + 71) * 3.1 * 1.25 * (2.2 * 0.33 + 3.0 * 0.67) * (1.45 * 0.67 + 1.0 * 0.33)
    2745.9020970000006

    perle:
    (108 + 20 + 71) * 3.1 * 1.25 * (2.2 * 0.34 + 3.0 * 0.66) * (1.45 * 0.66 + 1.0 * 0.34)
    2728.4068130000005

    Unless you know you have just enough str that grim is pushing you to 3 base damage from WSC, it looks like: zahak > perle > wtfareyoudoingjustgetperle.

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    He assigned some value to Attack.

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    "With capped att" would imply otherwise.

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    Ah, true <_<; Well, when I agreed with him I was assuming situations where Attack wasn't entirely worthless.

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    Sooo I put together a holy bolt set recently:

    Apollo's
    Rose strap
    Virtus bow
    holy bolt

    Maats cap
    Arcticers torque
    Volley earring
    Vision earring

    Gules+ 1
    praeda
    Arewe
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    jaeger or amemts+ 1
    pythia sash+ 1
    Currently wanting those pants from ixion mob in vunknerl
    Praeda.

    I can get 21 tp a hit, with vitrus, but am curious if machine bow would be more ideal.
    Currently, my true flights were/are doing between 1700-2100 dmg with either bow, and the AE on the bolts procs around 70-90 add. Dmg.

    I tried a few combinations of atmas, but got no definative numbers (yet)
    basically wondering if the WS numbers are the same, (trueflight doesn't calc on weapons dmg) should I be shooting 10 quick times, or 5 slow times?
    Should I move to a 6hit and work on the add. Effect with more mind?

    This was done with /sam, possibly worth moving to/ war?

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    What's a better nuking piece for BLM? Teal Saio or Igqira Weskit.
    I was just sky rocketed from 60 to 75 in the spur of the moment without really planning on leveling the job, so I haven't done a lick of research.

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