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  1. #1121
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    Yeah i don't see the reasons you gave as very compelling lol. Considering elem/enf are univerally good to have.
    Wait to see what the update does for the spells. Then we can talk about which you should drop.

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    What's better?

    I have 3 Gorget
    Breeze Snow and Soil

    I would use Breeze for ( dragon kick , tornado kick , Blade Jin Kamu )
    I would use Snow for ( Ground Strike , maybe guillotine and Gekko... )

    Question :
    Should i use gorget for every ws that match?
    or only 1Hit WS ?

    Question 2#
    What's better Snow Gorget or Justice Torque for Gekko/Guillotine( obviously justice but just making sure )

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    I would like some input on BLU inside Abysea in general.
    TP:
    Hannibal/Perdu/xx/MaviorT.Sting
    Turban(AF3 Head 7/8 )/Spectacles/Brutal/Suppa
    NashiraorMirage*/Homam/Rajas/Sniper's
    ForagersorSharpeye*/Swift/Aurore/Aurore

    Physical multihit spells:
    Same as above(Mavi)
    Mirage/Kubira Beads/Minuet/Delta
    Af+1/Enkidu/Rajas/Flame
    Smilodon+1/Warwolf/AF3+1/Denali

    I'm aware of most gear I need to get (Better Swords, Homam feet, Goading/V.belt, for tp and etc.)
    Also know that my casting earrings are shitty and etc.
    Main doubts are which body to use during tp phase Nashira or Mirage, and which backpiece to use, Forager's, Sharpeye, Nifty and Cavaros are available.
    Any other upgrade I'm overlooking on those 2 sets for now(aside from the ones I mentioned that I'm working on/need to get) ?
    Atmas usually are MM/VV, tried MM/RR but seemed to get better result on spell dmg/overall dmg with VV. Not sure if those 2 are optimal for blu, suggestions ?
    Sidegrades would be awesome if listing hard/time consuming to obtain gear.


    Thanks in advance =)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrp View Post
    I have 3 Gorget
    Breeze Snow and Soil

    I would use Breeze for ( dragon kick , tornado kick , Blade Jin Kamu )
    I would use Snow for ( Ground Strike , maybe guillotine and Gekko... )

    Question :
    Should i use gorget for every ws that match?
    or only 1Hit WS ?

    Question 2#
    What's better Snow Gorget or Justice Torque for Gekko/Guillotine( obviously justice but just making sure )
    use gorget for every WS that match
    #2 gorget is better!

  5. #1125
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    Quote Originally Posted by seiji View Post
    use gorget for every WS that match
    #2 gorget is better!
    Really ? :D
    Show Maths!! ( on at least 1000 monsters )
    na its ok

    I used to think Gorget only proc on First Hit so it was not so great with Multi-Hit WS

    ok just readed WIKI
    Increases fTP multiplier by +0.1 and adds some amount of accuracy to all hits of the Weapon Skill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by orangefoodie View Post
    TP:
    D43 DA9 ParaPara+1/Evasion Kila+1//Feather
    AF3+1/AF3/Brutal/Suppa*
    Rapp/Dusk/Ecphoria/Rajas
    ???/Swift/AF3+1/Ballerines
    *replaced by Kemas when haste+marches
    I can't comment on all your questions, I still don't know much about about WS builds, but I made a couple observations about your TP set. First of all the Ecphoria ring is pretty much a wasted slot right now. Since you have no natural Store TP with /NIN you're sitting on 11 STP in that build. I can't remember the details exactly, but someone explained to me before that STP is calculated as 1.00 + 0.XX STP, so that would put you at 1.11 for example, and that in order to use Ecphoria, it's only useful if it brings your tenth value up by one (eg: 1.19 + ring = 1.20). If you really need the accuracy, Use Sniper's+1 or Toreador's, otherwise go with a STR ring (Spiral or Strigoi, optimally).

    You already said you're working on Goading, that's good. I wouldn't worry about bullwhip, since you can cap haste with Goading without making any real sacrifices and the Bullwhip's negatives can be avoided. I'm curious as to why you're using an Evasion Kila+1 in a TP setup? If it's for lack of current options, I'd recommend that you start building either a STR/Attack one or make a WSDMG Fusetto+1.

    Finally, if you have the time, obviously +2ing your AF3 is a good option, but swap to +2 feet if you get them. Ballerines are good for an evasion build, but for straight up TP AF3+2 is better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mercilessturtle View Post
    Ukko in abyssea: don't bother with dex, just str and crit rate/damage. So v.helm, heafoc/alkys, cavaros, zahaks, str ring, af3 neck and ammo. Af3+2 feet and head when you get them.
    Fell cleave anywhere: af3 ammo, then obvious upgrades like alky->heafoc, ares->hachi, etc when you get them.
    Thanks
    What about Ukko Outside of abyssea? My Build OK?
    Are Af3+2 legs better than Ares?

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    EDIT: Was thinking feet for some reason...

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    Body for Raging Rush?

    KO
    Perle
    Hauby+1
    Heca


    inb4 Zahaks (I don't want to buy it)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pandorablue View Post
    I can't comment on all your questions, I still don't know much about about WS builds, but I made a couple observations about your TP set. First of all the Ecphoria ring is pretty much a wasted slot right now. Since you have no natural Store TP with /NIN you're sitting on 11 STP in that build. I can't remember the details exactly, but someone explained to me before that STP is calculated as 1.00 + 0.XX STP, so that would put you at 1.11 for example, and that in order to use Ecphoria, it's only useful if it brings your tenth value up by one (eg: 1.19 + ring = 1.20).
    You should probably reread the info on STP, because that's wrong. I think what you meant to say is that TP return from hits is truncated at the first decimal, so if you get 4.7 TP/hit and ecphoria raises that to 4.75 it's not actually doing anything for you because both end up being 4.7 TP/hit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Galattea View Post
    I would like some input on BLU inside Abysea in general.
    TP:
    Hannibal/Perdu/xx/MaviorT.Sting
    Turban(AF3 Head 7/8 )/Spectacles/Brutal/Suppa
    NashiraorMirage*/Homam/Rajas/Sniper's
    ForagersorSharpeye*/Swift/Aurore/Aurore

    Physical multihit spells:
    Same as above(Mavi)
    Mirage/Kubira Beads/Minuet/Delta
    Af+1/Enkidu/Rajas/Flame
    Smilodon+1/Warwolf/AF3+1/Denali

    I'm aware of most gear I need to get (Better Swords, Homam feet, Goading/V.belt, for tp and etc.)
    Also know that my casting earrings are shitty and etc.
    Main doubts are which body to use during tp phase Nashira or Mirage, and which backpiece to use, Forager's, Sharpeye, Nifty and Cavaros are available.
    Any other upgrade I'm overlooking on those 2 sets for now(aside from the ones I mentioned that I'm working on/need to get) ?
    Atmas usually are MM/VV, tried MM/RR but seemed to get better result on spell dmg/overall dmg with VV. Not sure if those 2 are optimal for blu, suggestions ?
    Sidegrades would be awesome if listing hard/time consuming to obtain gear.


    Thanks in advance =)
    Nashira if you have a positive return on MP with Mirage, otherwise Mirage. Forager's is probably better but if you need acc Sharpeye would win. Tiercel Necklace for TP, could possibly swap to Heafoc for physical spells if you're significantly overcapped on accuracy.

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    Nashira if you have a positive return on MP with Mirage, otherwise Mirage. Forager's is probably better but if you need acc Sharpeye would win. Tiercel Necklace for TP, could possibly swap to Heafoc for physical spells if you're significantly overcapped on accuracy.
    Okay, that's pretty much what I have been doing, keeping sharpeye on cause my skill was a few levels undercap, switched it now though.

    Thanks a lot =)

    While we are at it, Cavaros Mantle > Att mantle for WAR and DNC (Considering both TP and WS) ? Assume RR/VV on WAR and RR/GH or VV on DNC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waraurochs View Post
    Body for Raging Rush?

    KO
    Perle
    Hauby+1
    Heca


    inb4 Zahaks (I don't want to buy it)

    Hachiryu > Zahak's > Perle > Everything Else doesn't matter until Af3 bodies are revealed.

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    I'm a bit late getting a Moogle Kupo d'Etat hat. Better late than never. My main now a days is ranger and I keep it fully merited (including archery merits). Str+4 WS Acc +15 is a given for a selection. I am torn between Agi+4 WS damage +2% or racc +10 ratk +5.

    I WS in Wyvern Helm, Breeze Torque, +2 Str earrings, K Osode, Skadi Hands, Behe +1 ring, Rajas, Amet Mantle +1, Buccaneers belt, Skadi legs, AF2 Feet, Vulcan Staff + axe grip, and lastly the Str Magian bow.

    My main reason to pick the racc + ratk would only be to replace the Behe +1 ring with a str+6 ring but I don't know if str +6 tops the Agi+5 Ws damage +2%.

    Any thoughts?

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    WS damage, you don't need that much acc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galattea View Post

    While we are at it, Cavaros Mantle > Att mantle for WAR and DNC (Considering both TP and WS) ? Assume RR/VV on WAR and RR/GH or VV on DNC.
    Cavaros will beat attack mantles with RR on.

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    Any mathologers done the number crunching on the TP Bonus +100 vs. WSDMG+10% weapons, in general perhaps or for the Stingray +2 in particular? I can post gear later if that matters to the equation, busy exping atm~

    But then I bet just about everyone is~

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    Drakes is critrate varies with TP, do WSDMG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harriettoon View Post
    Till one monment ago I got to know that I havnt played so many games,I am a FFXI gamer now,I havnt thought to change another one and I bought gil from pcgamerusa.com,it delivers faster and has enough stock,so if you are playing the same game you can visit this web,I think it will save you more time to earn money in game.
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    For hand-to-hand weapon: DMG: 3 or Crit. Rate +3? I got a few augmented sainti and don't know what to use for the time being. I know, InB4 Magian. I was assuming the +3 DMG one, but with RR and GH, maybe the 3% Crit rate would overcome it.

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    Maybe this is bettor RQT, but oh well. My wife and I just came back after an off and on (mostly off) year of playing XI and trying to push through XIV but now we're back here. Obviously we're extraordinarily out of date with everything but I'm just going to start with the weapons question. What kind of weapons we be aiming for on WAR, DNC, NIN, SAM? I've heard Magian are king of the land for the most part, but I haven't gotten any real solid answers on what to work on for each yet. Thanks in advance.

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