Komoto's Official Explanation of Surplus

[Kaiyoko]

i dont think anyone hit 25 in an hour. i certainly didnt, even with hax guild leve exp. even gulkeeva who was beast took some hours to hit

He's saying to get a level past 25 is not difficult. Not any offense to gulk, but there were others that leveled quite faster, though gulk was pretty beast tanking a long time on PUG.

Edit- I didn't 1>25 in an hour, I did 25>26 in less then an hour. Remind you this is when class exp is white/yellow.

Double Edit- 28>30 took probably 5 hours, but I could not find an effective camp to get good skill at that point. Bald knoll mob can be done but they take a lot more work then Fat Dodos giving 400~700 class exp, and the Fat dodos were only giving 200-300 class exp.

The Blad Knoll mobs require you to exploit their AI a lot to kill them. They hit really fucking hard :S. One thing I hope they fix is the DEF loss between P2>P3.

[Callisto]

The Blad Knoll mobs require you to exploit their AI a lot to kill them. They hit really fucking hard :S. One thing I hope they fix is the DEF loss between P2>P3.

If Slow is as borked on those higher mobs as it is on lower you can probably just duo with Thaums, lol. Against a higher end DC one cast of Slow would make it so that it only swung twice the entire fight, even though Slow wore off less than halfway through the mob's health bar.

[Kaiyoko]

If Slow is as borked on those higher mobs as it is on lower you can probably just duo with Thaums, lol. Against a higher end DC one cast of Slow would make it so that it only swung twice the entire fight, even though Slow wore off less than halfway through the mob's health bar.

Well the rats there don't even hit me, which is what I primarily fight. Slow so much wouldn't be the issue, probably would need to fight other mobs too if duo, the rats wouldn't last long enough to gain skill w/ another person.

[Callisto]

Gotcha, I'm wondering if they're going to change the effectiveness on that on the whole, it really is pretty broken even when subbed. As Conj I subbed it, rotating Stoneskin when Slow timer was down and casting it at the start of fights when it was up I literally took 0 damage with no downtime between fights. I only got Thaum to 15 and Conj/Glad/Lancer to 10 so I'm not sure how the mobs scale up when you hit Bloodshore/Bald Knoll areas, but it still seemed like you could beat the crap out of a fair amount of stuff so long as Slow didn't resist.

[Kaiyoko]

Gotcha, I'm wondering if they're going to change the effectiveness on that on the whole, it really is pretty broken even when subbed. As Conj I subbed it, rotating Stoneskin when Slow timer was down and casting it at the start of fights when it was up I literally took 0 damage with no downtime between fights. I only got Thaum to 15 and Conj/Glad/Lancer to 10 so I'm not sure how the mobs scale up when you hit Bloodshore/Bald Knoll areas, but it still seemed like you could beat the crap out of a fair amount of stuff so long as Slow didn't resist.

Going OT again but...

Yeah it seems to stay about the same even on higher level mobs from what I notice in guildeves. The SS I don't know if it gets any stronger though, I'd assume it might be effected by MND.

[Callisto]

Since OT is more or less the only way to go here...I know we'll have a slow few days until OB, but we've more or less exhausted that everyone thinks that surplus is for jerks, but of varying degrees and everyone's gotten a chance to voice their argument(some of you about 42 times). Since there is absolutely nothing else we can know about surplus until OB starts I'm going to wrap up both of these threads. We can revisit the topic when we see if/how things change in OB. Until then, if something new crops up from the devs on the subject that is pertinent, someone can PM me and I'll unlock this thread.