Random Fail IX: hauby suck the pld

[rog]

What failure said.

Expecting something for free is pretty fucking greedy.

I do occasionally give things away for free, but not usually, and only if they ask me for it (i won't actively try to find someone who needs it, by shouting, or whatever). However, i refuse to take anything for free. I don't care how many times someone cancels a trade, and says it's free, i won't take it, unless they take at least some gil.

[SaviorSelf]

All I'm waiting for is Tsuko to not say anything about your murder story, yet complains about my boat saving story.

[FailureMidgard]

I do occasionally give things away for free, but not usually, and only if they ask me for it (i won't actively try to find someone who needs it, by shouting, or whatever). However, i refuse to take anything for free. I don't care how many times someone cancels a trade, and says it's free, i won't take it, unless they take at least some gil.

Yes, this too. Though I don't have qualms taking something from a LS mate who I've likely given shit to in the past, and will continue to. If some random person gave me a seal, I'd insist on paying them, or sticking around and helping them get a seal they want. Taking shit for free and not returning it in some fashion is greedy, without a doubt. But hey, I said this in my wall-o-text post. I'm sure SaviorSelf missed it though. His reading comprehension seems a bit low when he can call me greedy for saying I'd lose gil to get nothing.

All I'm waiting for is Tsuko to not say anything about your murder story, yet complains about my boat saving story.

I'll say it for him - it's a stupid fucking terrible analogy to anything applicable, but since you missed it, I'll explain why it's a better analogy than yours:

Ingamestuff:Yourboatanalogy::Yourboatanalogy:Mymur deranalogy

It's closer to your boat analogy than your boat analogy was to the initial question(s).

[SaviorSelf]

I skimmed I admit, mostly because I didn't feel like reading a novel about your excuses and how you justify your actions. I'm not sure where the 'expecting' part came in though. I just said if I didn't need it I'd give it away. Failure just sees everything for monetary gains, and somehow things if he isn't gaining gil, he's losing it?

[rog]

All I'm waiting for is Tsuko to not say anything about your murder story, yet complains about my boat saving story.

Killing the murderer in his example saves 2 lives, at the cost of one (which many would probably argue that his life was worth less than even one of the peoples' that were saved). Killing the guy on the island saves a few dollars, and 10 minutes, at the cost of one life. Yeah, those are definitely the same.

[Yugl]

We don't always give away free medical care. Inevitable death stems from that.

Edit: And leaving someone on an islands doesn't always mean inevitable death in the sense you want it to mean (i.e. causal factor).

[FailureMidgard]

I skimmed I admit, mostly because I didn't feel like reading a novel about your excuses and how you justify your actions. I'm not sure where the 'expecting' part came in though. I just said if I didn't need it I'd give it away. Failure just sees everything for monetary gains, and somehow things if he isn't gaining gil, he's losing it?

Ok, you quoted this from me on your response:

Honestly, I'm not a greedy person, but I feel that someone who would be unwilling to pay for an item they needed is in fact a greedy person, and I'd actually pay someone else to -not- give said person an item. It's not that I really want something in return - it's that I don't want someone who's unwilling to give something in return to benefit. It may be a little odd, but it's not greed, and it comes down to the fact that I don't feel I'm being rude by denying someone who is rude free shit.

... and I'd actually pay someone else to -not- give said person an item. It's not that I really want something in return - it's that I don't want someone who's unwilling to give something in return to benefit. It may be a little odd, but it's not greed, and it comes down to the fact that I don't feel I'm being rude by denying someone who is rude free shit.

... and I'd actually pay someone else to -not- give said person an item...

Yes, that involves monetary loss on my part. Me paying. Should I go look up the definition of paying for you? Holy fuck you're stupid. Past this, I don't even know what to say, it's quite obvious you didn't read my post - which is perfectly fine - but you should refrain from responding to me if that's the case, 'cause I don't give a shit about monetary gains, which I think is pretty obvious from the fucking shit you quoted + other things.

Killing the murderer in his example saves 2 lives, at the cost of one. Killing the guy on the island saves a few dollars, and 10 minutes, at the cost of one life. Yeah, his analogy definitely wasn't better.

They are terrible, that was entirely the point. But the second one was just saying you can't look at "Saving a life" is moral and always moral and always the right decision. There are consequences to our actions, and they are worth considering. I purposefully took it past anything realistically related to make a point that there is more than the immediate concern.

[Fievel]

Back story: LS did EE last night and decided we should try to get some buyers for Atma, this guy was one of them. He goes afk right after we pop NM, we proc red kill get atma etc, this guy is still afk and hasnt paid. We come back a little after to do a second Eve trying to get gloves, he's still there in the same spot but now dead, after we did the second eve, still there.

This morning I got this. Best excuse ever.

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...109_105827.jpg

Spoiler: show

Also inb4 dumb for not making people pay beforehand, we were trying to pop it before 6:00 to proc blue !! easier and it was like 5:52, items were more important to us than one person paying 250k.

Edit: He sent me 53k and said he'll spend any time he has to play farming to pay in entirety, god I almost feel bad for the guy. Also told me he was going to tell his nephews parents so he'll get in big trouble.

[rog]

That seems so crazy...but since he sent you a tell on his own...i wonder if maybe it's true, lollolol.

[Fievel]

I thought bullshit at first, but he's now sent me 53k, 3 stacks of shihei, and leaping boots to try to pay it off.

[rog]

Oh god, that's hilarious. I'd just let him keep the other 100k. The luls are worth far more than that anyway.

[Fievel]

Oh god, that's hilarious. I'd just let him keep the other 100k. The luls are worth far more than that anyway.

I tried to just tell him not to worry about it after the 53k because I just feel bad for the guy at this point, having to pay with shihei is just hilarious though. He said he couldn't just not pay because that's not right, so he'll get me the gil.

Edit: He just asked what Atma of the Voracious Violet even does.

[Byrthnoth]

Should just absolve his debt. 250k isn't much anyway, and it sounds like he'll be meleeing stuff without food for a few months to pay for his Atma.

[Vincento]

Would suck to be broke, I'd erase debt and send him the gil back and tell him to go farm. One less pickup with no atma? /callitaday

[Fievel]

Read my last post, I tried. I even sent him the boots and gil back and he just resent them to me.

Edit: Convinced him to take gil/boots back by telling him he'll just have to TH a few NM's for me to pay me back, he said okay.

[Vincento]

Was a quick reply from the previous page. I was skimming Failure's novel.

All I know is no one should ever reject free shit (no need for complacency). If you're giving it away for free, expect it to be so. If you expect exchange of currency in any form, you're doing it wrong - it isn't greed, it's trading.

[Thorny]

Why the fuck is Savior still allowed to post? Please help, I don't understand.

Personally, I'll give away free things to anyone that seems well-spoken and hasn't caused issues with me in the past, but I generally don't go out of my way to shout-sell(or shout-give-away) items I have no need for.

[SaviorSelf]

Took God long enough to show up, thought you called in sick today. Odd, you agree with me but still spout bullshit. Hmm.

[Thorny]

I don't agree with you, I share similar values. If it's that hard to understand that the problem is the way you're acting here, not what you do ingame, then I don't know what to tell you. Learn to brain. I'm not bashing either side, I respect both and they have the right to do as they wish with their items.. you're being a closeminded fuckwad and saying everyone should be giving free things to people who do nothing more than beg.

It's like comparing someone who goes to church on sundays to a bible-thumper. You're the latter.

[Draylo]

lol Thorny, you are the last person to talk about having any kind of morales. I bet you are the same in real life, honestly its the same few shitheads that post that are all the same. I pity you too and agree with him. He isn't talking about people begging for items... We are discussing that tard who posted that pic and thought they were so cool for the same tired attitude displayed by a couple of tards here. He sent a player a tell asking if he wanted to buy the item, when they refused he said fine I have no problem letting it drop to the floor. Why? It's just astounding how people are over a damn game, they just treat other players like shit as long as they benefit.

You shouldn't expect shit when you give something to someone out of kindness... a simple thank you should be enough. I've given plenty of items away and let people leech off of atma's and seals for nothing at all. I have gotten everything I have in this game w/o scamming or fucking over other people for miniscule amounts of gil.