"God did not create Universe!", says Hawking.

[Max™]

*rapes gad in a very scientific manner*

Spoiler: show

http://casa.colorado.edu/~ajsh/sr/lorwheel.gif
Spacetime Wheel.

http://casa.colorado.edu/~ajsh/sr/lorwheelr.gif
Quadrant representing a constantly accelerating trajectory.

http://casa.colorado.edu/~ajsh/sr/hcube.gif
Hypercube rotation with color changes representing unviewable dimensions.

http://www.valdostamuseum.org/hamsmith/FMar24.gif
Fucking amazing translation of a 24 Cell into it's dual, and back, in which each vertex traces a Hopf circle! If you know much about QM/String/LQG theoretical works, particularly the CDT models, finding out that inverting 24 cells traces Hopf circles is like, holy shit type stuff.

[Kuya]

Science sucks

[toqabowl]

God created earth so he can watch it on primetime...
presented by FOGNL

[Max™]

Science sucks

Yo momma does too, like a black hole!

She's so fat, she's got an event horizon, and it takes a team of astronomers measuring the light deflected by stars behind her for three years to accurately calculate her mass!

[Folant]

[Salodin]

I think what makes it hard is that science doesn't have all the answers (yet), especially the pressing ones for some people that already came up in this thread, which make it hard for some people to accept it based on science's theorys alone. I'm all open to learning about the science proving or disproving this and that, but there are some answers that I just want right now that science can't answer damnit lol.

For instance, Fucking physics, where'd it fucking come from?

[BerenTebogo]

Some dude who goes to the gym and tans? What would you know about science, math and god.

How to look good while doing them, duh.

[Max™]

I think what makes it hard is that science doesn't have all the answers (yet), especially the pressing ones for some people that already came up in this thread, which make it hard for some people to accept it based on science's theorys alone. I'm all open to learning about the science proving or disproving this and that, but there are some answers that I just want right now that science can't answer damnit lol.

For instance, Fucking physics, where'd it fucking come from?

John Holmes knew a thing or two about the physics of fucking, but srsly, it's just the evolution of science from the early natural philosophers, the later minds up through/following the Renaissance, and then the modern form took root in the early 1900's. We've been busily filling out the same two trees ever since, trying to find a way to push them together.

[BerenTebogo]

I think what makes it hard is that science doesn't have all the answers (yet), especially the pressing ones for some people that already came up in this thread, which make it hard for some people to accept it based on science's theorys alone. I'm all open to learning about the science proving or disproving this and that, but there are some answers that I just want right now that science can't answer damnit lol.

For instance, Fucking physics, where'd it fucking come from?

Pretty much newton. Physics as we know it today (astro, quantum, nuclear) weren't always so clear. It started with predictions and experimentation. Drop ball A from height X, record speed. Drop ball B from height X, record speed. Drop ball C from height X, record speed. etc.

Launch projectile A from angle 35 degree with propulsion X, record distance. Launch projectile B from angle 45 degree with propulsion X, record distance. Launch projectile from angle 55 degree with propulsion X, record distance.

Simple stuff like that is all you need to find acceleration due to gravity with air resistance (vacuum shit didn't come later) and arc trajectories (which also account for gravity and resistances).

Simple experimentation to get baselines, like above, then take a new set of criteria, different mass but same propulsion etc, and make predictions about the trajectory of each object. If results match predictions, you may be onto something.

That's how science works. That's why it's so much better than faith.

[Max™]

Though, comparing science to faith is like comparing a hammer to a sandwich.

[Demosthenes11]

excepts sandwiches are way fucking better than hammers

[Max™]

How the hell do you frame a house with a sandwich?

[Komm Suesser Tod]

How the hell do you frame a house with a sandwich?

By giving them to immigrants you find at home depot.

[Biggz]

Threads like this just give me more reason to move out of texas. Everyone I run into here just tells me I'm going to hell because I don't agree with their beliefs. Damn bible belt.

[Max™]

By giving them to immigrants you find at home depot.

Well played.

[Kaylia]

Is Hawking misquoted all the time, or he is that fucking dense? He is doing so many blanket statement (not necesarily wrong in a semantic way) that mean absolutely nothing.

[Komm Suesser Tod]

I really don't personally understand that argumentation.

For me, because I don't believe there to be an afterlife of any sort, I actually value this life even more than when I did believe in a god. The idea of no afterlife means this is my one and ONLY chance at life, so therefore I'm gonna be as happy as I reasonably can and make it last for as long as possible. I want to believe that more people feel this way too, regardless of if there's a god or not. Yea, there would be chaos for a small while while the morons who can't wrap their head around that idea go crazy, but I hope society as a whole could accept that idea and still live on just fine.

You hit that right on the head for me. I feel exactly the same way. If there is no afterlife, no judgment at the end, then my decisions carry far more weight, because my life, and by extension the decisions I've made, will be all I've had. It makes what I decide so much more important to me.

For me, I prefer science to religion, because every question poised to religion only has one real answer, "because," and science's response is usually "I don't know, but let's figure that shit out." I empathize with science far more than I ever could religion, I'm far to curious to except "just because."

[Kaylia]

For me, I prefer science to religion, because every question poised to religion only has one real answer, "because," and science's response is usually "I don't know, but let's figure that shit out." I empathize with science far more than I ever could religion, I'm far to curious to except "just because."

I don't want to target your post particularly, but science vs religion debate really isnt that shallow. You will find stupid people with stupid beliefs, but there is a blurry untouchable area where religion can be defined without being harmful to science.

Most people don't seem to understand that religion and sciences arent mutually exclusive. You can have both at the same time without doing a logical fault.

[Shuvo]

I don't want to target your post particularly, but science vs religion debate really isnt that shallow. You will find stupid people with stupid beliefs, but there is a blurry untouchable area where religion can be defined without being harmful to science.

Most people don't seem to understand that religion and sciences arent mutually exclusive. You can have both at the same time without doing a logical fault.

Not really, whatever compromise people make between the two, it always boils down to something like "God architectured the big bang/this/that" etc. But that always leads to the question of "Then who created god?" "Who created the creator of god?" etc etc to an infinite regression. The only real answer to this is, in terms of probability, it far more likely the universe spontaneously created itself as a hunk of exploding rock, rather then a living sentient all-powerful being suddenly popping into existence.

[Acturus]

But what if physics IS god?