Job Adjustments Part II (09/03/2010)

[tobyjuggler]

Where did all this DNC love suddenly come from? When I levelled it, I couldn't get a party past level 65 (not surprising I guess...bloody imps) and everybody laughed at DNC. I suppose it didn't help when you always saw those pretty elvaan and hume female models fulltiming AF in parties. I levelled it for soloing possibilities, near to the end of my time doing HNM/endgame, it would have been nice to use it in that environment too.

[Nightfyre]

Took people a while to catch on to how good DNC's support abilities really are. The sheer volume of absolutely terrible DNCs out there didn't help either.

[Odin'sLaw]

i started lving dnc for a sub got it to 42 easily soloing VT's with rev flourish shocking how long lasting it is just not much of a dmg doer

[Tsuko_Asura]

because PD does something that your precious DVII spam doesn't and that's prevent one shots.

and provided your MP pool was big enough wouldn't chainspell curaga II be better then waltz since there's probably less delay in between heals ?

I realize your job is borderline useless, so you wouldn't find yourself in an optimal party setup very often, but what is it that you're not understanding about Haste Samba?

Wait, hold on, let me say that again:

HASTE SAMBA

In situations where Trance is applicable, you're able to maintain every bit of damage that you would have otherwise. Otherwise, you're forced to either A. Give up a party slot entirely to accommodate for that idiotic red mage strategy you're suggesting, or B. Introduce party swapping via Perfect Defense, which not only serves to further complicate something that is supposed to be very simple, but it leaves one of your members vulnerable to damage.

[sruon]

itt: ffxi 101

[Yugl]

Where did all this DNC love suddenly come from? When I levelled it, I couldn't get a party past level 65 (not surprising I guess...bloody imps) and everybody laughed at DNC. I suppose it didn't help when you always saw those pretty elvaan and hume female models fulltiming AF in parties. I levelled it for soloing possibilities, near to the end of my time doing HNM/endgame, it would have been nice to use it in that environment too.

65: Imps. No Haste Samba merits. No Fan Dance. No Saber Dance. Crappy gear.

[Kaslo]

DNC. Sirius Business.

[Byrthnoth]

Yeah, until 75 with merits dnc is kinda crap for xp. Especially because imps take up such a huge level range. I managed to get to 72 by making 60ish sync parties. It was slow and I always had to be leader so it wasn't something I was excited to do often. Then Abyssea wheeeeee and 80 with capped merits.

[ronin sparthos]

So did we ever get to the point before this spirited defense of Dancer?

Is /WAR going to be viable at 90 even with an optimal backline anywhere outside EXP?

[jimbobsonofgod]

I'm a shithead

Hey fuckass, did i ever say don't use a dnc period, no i said why bother with trance and waltz spam when you can just PD.

Christ you are fucking hopeless.

In fact now that you mention it you can swap our your fucking dnc for a PD smn then swap your dnc back in and you can feel free to fucking Trance cure yourself if you feel vulnerable. . . jesus. I guess that would require you to find one more person willing to listen to your shit, which i'm betting is pretty difficult, and you've yet to answer my fucking question.

[Malacite]

>.> honestly, just host your own abyssea PT and put yourself on chest duty... EXP problem solved.

And like DRG & PUP, DNC was perceived as "weak" for too long by people who didn't fully understand the job and/or game mechanics.


Speaking of PUP, can we get some new attachments already? How about Tension Spring III or Loudspeaker III already SE?

[Tsuko_Asura]

Hey fuckass, did i ever say don't use a dnc period, no i said why bother with trance and waltz spam when you can just PD.

Christ you are fucking hopeless.

In fact now that you mention it you can swap our your fucking dnc for a PD smn then swap your dnc back in and you can feel free to fucking Trance cure yourself if you feel vulnerable. . . jesus. I guess that would require you to find one more person willing to listen to your shit, which i'm betting is pretty difficult, and you've yet to answer my fucking question.

I genuinely don't know whether you're replacing my elucidations with snarky comments(which are completely devoid of any sense of wit- imagine that) due to a lack of alternative responses or simply because of incomprehension. Let me break this down for you in its most rudimentary form: If you can do something with twelve people just as easily as you can do something with thirteen people, why would choose the latter?

You're trying to get into the establishment directly in front of you on the opposite side of the street. In between you is a crosswalk, and 50ft to your left is a crosswalk- which one are you going to take?

[jimbobsonofgod]

why would choose the latter?

Because that one more person provides a safety net that a dnc cannot.
Because again if its worth chain stunning its probably going to one shot you, you have yet to provide an example where a monster requires chain stunning but doesn't have the ability to one shot you.
Adding that one extra person guards against being one shotted and its AOE, where dnc just provides a defense against AOE.

[Tsuko_Asura]

I'm not going to compile a list of things who's continuous area of affect damage can cause safety issues, yet don't particularly pose a threat of being one-shotted. I will reiterate, however, that I came to this conclusion during a low-man zerg of Conflux #1, in which the repeated use of Venom Shower can be quite deadly over time, but doesn't really put you at risk of dropping to the ground in on fell swoop.

[Yugl]

I'm not going to compile a list of things who's continuous area of affect damage can cause safety issues, yet don't particularly pose a threat of being one-shotted. I will reiterate, however, that I came to this conclusion during a low-man zerg of Conflux #1, in which the repeated use of Venom Shower can be quite deadly over time, but doesn't really put you at risk of dropping to the ground in on fell swoop.

Wait, you put the integrity and well-being of a party in the hands of an experience you had with crabs one night?

[Tsuko_Asura]

wat

Anything that has similar characteristics is going to yield similar results. I'd even go as far as to say that Conflux#1 is on the more dangerous end of the spectrum, given the frequency and strength of Venom Shower.

[Snick]

Honest question, what do people use PD for other than AV? <_<

[drwaffles]

wat

Anything that has similar characteristics is going to yield similar results. I'd even go as far as to say that Conflux#1 is on the more dangerous end of the spectrum, given the frequency and strength of Venom Shower.

Think you got whooshed, babe.

[Tsuko_Asura]

derp :c

Can you blame me? There's a lot of stupid going on in here.

[Yugl]

Think you got whooshed, babe.

This.