Job Adjustments Part II (09/03/2010)

[Tsuko_Asura]

SHADDUP

[Tsuko_Asura]

[Yugl]

On a serious note though, the SMN debacle depends on your set up. Haste > Haste Samba last I checked and 5% at high values will make you do much more DMG. Consequently, you'll take less opportunity for risks. Couple that with PD and spammed waltz, and you'll be fine. In short, replace the WHM/RDM/W/e with SMN since they can haste outside PT/in PT (AOE).

[seiji]

in b4 QD will be affected by Ovni dmg resistance. (they cant "fix" a Ja without breaking something else, or it's just the only way they found in their spagety to fix QD unaffected by damage resistance)

[ronin sparthos]

Honest question, what do people use PD for other than AV? <_<

Used it in MMM Voucher 09 for some of the NMs there and uh... that's about it for me.

[Tsuko_Asura]

On a serious note though, the SMN debacle depends on your set up. Haste > Haste Samba last I checked and 5% at high values will make you do much more DMG. Consequently, you'll take less opportunity for risks. Couple that with PD and spammed waltz, and you'll be fine. In short, replace the WHM/RDM/W/e with SMN since they can haste outside PT/in PT (AOE).

Did you really think I was suggesting flying with March and Samba only? Bard and its predominant subjob would like a word with you -.o

[Yugl]

If they're not using NIN for anything/getting rocked sure. Not sure if that applies since I jumped in midpage like a champ.

Edit: And it's a non-galka BRD.

Spoiler: show

But fuck Galkas anyways.

[drwaffles]

Too bad Tsuko's assertion relies on the assumption that most BRDs have enough brain cells to cope with a Haste rotation, let alone status ailment removal and (*gasp*) resting.

<3

[Snick]

Used it in MMM Voucher 09 for some of the NMs there and uh... that's about it for me.

So why are people suggesting it for things we know for a fact you don't need it for? :c

I don't get it.

also tsuko how long you been using :c and c: I am genuinely curious cause I don't want people thinking I'm trying to steal it from you or something :c fuck.

[drwaffles]

What the fuck is this c: shit, that smiley only works for sadtimes.

[Snick]

idk, thats how it started for me then we realized it could be used for sadtimes.

it was 06 i was young and never gotten laid ok god. :c

[Yugl]

idk, thats how it started for me then we realized it could be used for sadtimes.

it was 06 i was young and never gotten laid ok god. :c

40 is not young.

[Malacite]

Too bad Tsuko's assertion relies on the assumption that most BRDs have enough brain cells to cope with a Haste rotation, let alone status ailment removal and (*gasp*) resting.

<3

Yar, I hung up my instruments a long time ago but I played BRD long and well enough to know that there's a lot of fuckwits out there playing the wrong job. Christ if I had a nickel for every BRD I saw with just a single harp/flute decked out in nothing but +CHR gear...

[Malacite]

EDIT: Fucking XIV lag = double post lol.

[Tsuko_Asura]

Too bad Tsuko's assertion relies on the assumption that most BRDs have enough brain cells to cope with a Haste rotation, let alone status ailment removal and (*gasp*) resting.

<3

Very true, but I feel compelled to point out that if you play with bards incompetent enough to mess up a Haste rotation, you probably don't have a wide array of usable dancers either.

[Byrthnoth]

Psh you think that's bad? I wish my mouthbreathing melee were mouthbreathing bards way more often than not.

[mdkuser]

5% at high values will make you do much more DMG.

Not really. That would be the case w/o JA delay. Take a 5-hit SAM with 480 delay.

hit > hit > hit > hit > ws > 2 second pause > repeat.

Let say it takes you 0.5 seconds to hit ws macro after your last hit. The order is :

hit > delay > hit > delay > hit > delay > hit > 0.5 sec > ws > 2 second delay

With 60% haste the total delay is 192*3+30+120=726
With 65% haste the total delay is 168*3+30+120=654
with 70% haste 582
with 75% haste 510

Typical scenario will be 60%>65% for 11% damage boost on each melee. So the benefit of COR is boosting the total damage by 11% + whatever their gimp damage does, probably at best half of a DD.

damage with 3 DDs : 3 units => damage with 3 DD+COR (3+0.5)*1.11=3.885

That's inferior to 4 DDs, so you really need to benefit from chaos roll or cor is a waste. This also means that if you want cor+brd+dnc+rdm to be superior you require at least 7 people wich sucks.

The math also works if you use hasso as 5% haste will do ~+14% and the total damage will be about the same as 4 DDs (for more tp spam).

Soon as you got 2 DD or less it sux. Soon as you can Dia3 and berserk it sux even with 3 DDs.

[FailureMidgard]

Not really. That would be the case w/o JA delay. Take a 5-hit SAM with 480 delay.

hit > hit > hit > hit > ws > 2 second pause > repeat.

Let say it takes you 0.5 seconds to hit ws macro after your last hit. The order is :

hit > delay > hit > delay > hit > delay > hit > 0.5 sec > ws > 2 second delay

With 60% haste the total delay is 192*3+30+120=726
With 65% haste the total delay is 168*3+30+120=654
with 70% haste 582
with 75% haste 510

Typical scenario will be 60%>65% for 11% damage boost on each melee. So the benefit of COR is boosting the total damage by 11% + whatever their gimp damage does, probably at best half of a DD.

damage with 3 DDs : 3 units => damage with 3 DD+COR (3+0.5)*1.11=3.885

That's inferior to 4 DDs, so you really need to benefit from chaos roll or cor is a waste. This also means that if you want cor+brd+dnc+rdm to be superior you require at least 7 people wich sucks.

The math also works if you use hasso as 5% haste will do ~+14% and the total damage will be about the same as 4 DDs (for more tp spam).

Soon as you got 2 DD or less it sux. Soon as you can Dia3 and berserk it sux even with 3 DDs.

Because all DDs do equal damage.

[Ansems]

Blm is always left for dead. FUCK YOU SE

[mdkuser]

Because all DDs do equal damage.

Because all cor do half the damage of a gimp DD