Job Adjustments Part II (09/03/2010)

**Seanr** · 2010-09-04 01:57

Originally Posted by Alkar

If COR was simply meant to roll, why did they give us B rating in Markmanship and access to lots of DD gear to begin with? Not to mention rolls being completely independent from stats and gear unlike Songs.

They gave PUPs a B in H2H, do people really expect them to just use their automatons? O.o

**AidenCarby** · 2010-09-04 02:02

Mazurka can be used in dungeons?! Holy shit, I think I just came.

**Khamsin** · 2010-09-04 02:35

Originally Posted by AidenCarby

Mazurka can be used in dungeons?! Holy shit, I think I just came.

Wonder who will be the first to Mazurka through Boyahda.

**Nevex** · 2010-09-04 03:41

RDMs are going to hate BLUs again after this update.

**Draylo** · 2010-09-04 03:52

They will end up refreshing everyone so... yeah get used to it rdms! Thankfully I only normally use mine for solo :D

**Damane** · 2010-09-04 04:46

Originally Posted by Isiolia

Depends on the roll for one. Second, it does matter that COR does things in one roll where BRD might need both rolls to equal it, since both jobs are operating on a two buff limit.

Secondly, you likely misunderstand. If you want to talk about pure support effectiveness, neither job touches RDM, WHM, etc without factoring in subjob. Again, two song/roll limit. A RDM, for example, can Protect, Shell, Regen, Refresh, Haste, and Phalanx - Barspells from sub (or from WHM main and take out Phalanx) - effectively raise accuracy (Gravity), evasion (Blind), ATT (Dia) or DEF further (Bio), can Para/Slow, and so on. A BRD can do any one or two of those things at a given time, but that's it, other than Elegy of course.
Their real effectiveness is the fact that they can stack Marches on top of Haste, or Ballads on top of Refresh, and so on.

Now, particularly with the new level cap(s), what they can do from sub too adds on, but then again RDM or WHM gets more from a sub too.

I repeat it for you again BRD has the most potent debuff in the game ELEGY, no other job can slow an enemy down for 50%. It makes most fights piss easy and is even required in some. If you want to compare BRD to COR, compare their full spectrum, because damn my COR would be fucking happy if it had the ability to land a 50% slow on an enemy while giving out 2 buffs or putting 5-6 enemys with an AoE song to sleepg. I still dont understand your bitching, BRD is still a very potent job, the best support in terms of crowd control, buffing and debuffing in one package you can get.

**Dooom** · 2010-09-04 09:30

Originally Posted by mdkuser

Dia 3, berserk

Not every job is war or /war; there are more DD rolls than Chaos Roll.

Not only BRD are limited to sub par dagger selection, they also have one of the lowest skill rank among all the dagger wielding jobs (even COR have B+ skill which beats BRD's B-) and shitty weaponskills.

Bard has access to the same Magian weapons as thf and dnc; Mordent Rime isn't an awful WS. Bard also has access to enough gear to make Evisceration almost worthwhile. Not Slugshot levels, but hardly shit.

**Malacite** · 2010-09-04 10:14

Originally Posted by Taruking

Techincally speaking all jobs have access to multihit weapons since introduction of magian trials.

You can't be serious about both jobs being similar in term of damage-dealing capabilities. Not only BRD are limited to sub par dagger selection, they also have one of the lowest skill rank among all the dagger wielding jobs (even COR have B+ skill which beats BRD's B-) and shitty weaponskills. QD adds decent amount of damage thanks to low recast and can potentially become COR's version of mini-Barrage/Meditate post update. Being able to shoot from distance also makes COR a more practical DD job than BRD esp. in endgame event.

The only unique feature of G-horn apart from saving inventory space is to add 1mp/tic to each Ballad song. The game has moved on since introduction of G-horn. Evoker's roll, Diabolos's favour, Battery Charge, Sublimation and soon Refresh II and Mage Ballad III all make G-horn +1 effect far less significant.

It's plus 2 and there's a good chance that ToM could boost that to +3. So Ballad 1 & 2 automatically give 7/tic refresh, more than Evoker's can give with an XI roll. Ballad III is going to jack that up to 9/tic (18 with soul voice good God) and as I said, assuming they add even another +1 that will really skew things for BRD. +3 to march songs > everything else (don't forget that's also duration added on, not just buff strength)

**mdkuser** · 2010-09-04 11:04

Originally Posted by Dooom

Not every job is war or /war; there are more DD rolls than Chaos Roll.

Yup and they all suck. 5% DA .. yeah it's totally worth joyeuse TP feeding for less damage than a mediocre A+ job.

**Malacite** · 2010-09-04 11:38

considering that if a DRK is present Chaos Roll is at least on average a full-time berserk without the defense penalty... yeah....

**Dooom** · 2010-09-04 11:57

Originally Posted by mdkuser

Yup and they all suck. 5% DA .. yeah it's totally worth joyeuse TP feeding for less damage than a mediocre A+ job.

lol TP feed, how often is that a serious issue? Easily solved by telling your corsair not to melee. SHOCK HORROR. And I was unaware that letting people drop a hit from their X-hit build sucked, or that up to 24% DA was bad. And again: not every melee has Berserk.

**Tsuko_Asura** · 2010-09-04 13:14

Originally Posted by Nevex

RDMs are going to hate BLUs again after this update.

Why would I hate something that I virtually never interact with(for good reason)?

True story: I've never participated in a single organized event that involved a blue mage, nor have I ever casted refresh on one.

**Yugl** · 2010-09-04 13:37

Originally Posted by Tsuko_Asura

Why would I hate something that I virtually never interact with(for good reason)?

True story: I've never participated in a single organized event that involved a blue mage, nor have I ever casted refresh on one.

Never L-man Yilb?

**Tsuko_Asura** · 2010-09-04 13:45

While I acknowledge that BLU is pretty nifty for Yilb(and only Yilb), I've never had one involved.

**jimbobsonofgod** · 2010-09-04 13:47

Originally Posted by Tsuko_Asura

blah blah blah

Someone needs to put a hater gonna hate pic up in here lulz

**Jeryhn** · 2010-09-04 13:48

Originally Posted by Nevex

RDMs are going to hate BLUs again after this update.

RDMs will hate BLUs for the same reason WHMs hate SCHs.

WHMs absolutely hate it when a SCH decides to Afflatus Regen2 on a party.

**SephYuyX** · 2010-09-04 14:06

Remember that time 5 years ago when TP feeding was an issue.

**Odin'sLaw** · 2010-09-04 14:13

Originally Posted by Jeryhn

RDMs will hate BLUs for the same reason WHMs hate SCHs.

WHMs absolutely hate it when a SCH decides to Afflatus Regen2 on a party.

i'm sure its a stupid question, but why would a whm hate not having to do there job since the sch did it for them, or do you mean whm's hate that schs take there invites

**Jeryhn** · 2010-09-04 14:21

Originally Posted by Odin'sLaw

i'm sure its a stupid question, but why would a whm hate not having to do there job since the sch did it for them, or do you mean whm's hate that schs take there invites

More like I hate it when SCHs overwrite my Accessioned Regen3.

**Tsuko_Asura** · 2010-09-04 14:22

Originally Posted by Jeryhn

RDMs will hate BLUs for the same reason WHMs hate SCHs.

WHMs absolutely hate it when a SCH decides to Afflatus Regen2 on a party.

Why on earth would you have a scholar in a party with a white mage(or a scholar at all, for that matter)?

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