Things you want XIV to have in the future.

**fussel** · 2010-10-14 02:51

Originally Posted by Ravidrath

1. Pooled and divided SP for party battles, to even out the melee/mage gap

IMO, that request is a bit naive, since this might allow powerleveling and afk leveling.

**miokomioko** · 2010-10-14 02:58

Originally Posted by fussel

IMO, that request is a bit naive, since this might allow powerleveling and afk leveling.

A simple solution would be to put in the same 'ol level-gap penalties on skill/exp. Also, AFK-leveling is something you just boot people for, that's a non-issue.

**BlackheartX** · 2010-10-14 03:07

Another thing I want is combat to not be doomed to suck forever because of bad design choices. I also want is for this game to flop in the future so SE gets a clue to the point where they might learn something and stops shoveling off shit as a finished retail product. Also for SE to advert the current trajectory of becoming a bigger name brand prostitute then say a Super Mario.

**miokomioko** · 2010-10-14 03:10

Originally Posted by BlackheartX

Another thing I want is combat to not be doomed to suck forever because of bad design choices.

Did you get lost on your way to the troll quarantine thread?

Here you go~ http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/997...-threads/page4

**BlackheartX** · 2010-10-14 03:17

Originally Posted by miokomioko

Did you get lost on your way to the troll quarantine thread?

Here you go~ http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/997...-threads/page4

It's for white knights to maybe we can go together. Aside from that my post was on topic.

**Nirokun!** · 2010-10-14 06:59

Originally Posted by BlackheartX

Also all people who put Highlanders or any male character for that matter in a subligar to die a horrible death or add an option to view all pants.

Fuck you buddy. This game is great if only for the men in subligar and tights /swoon :D

Can we get a filter on psychedelic two-tone mithras? If I have to see another blue-haired mithra with a red or white-tipped tail, I... I don't know what I'm gonna do.

**Cutriss** · 2010-10-14 09:51

Originally Posted by Kurokikaze

Damn son... I can't believe you used that reference and didn't use the original.

C'mon son, you should know better than that.

Not really sure how you'd want that to work, unless you were planning to have someone photoshop a picture of Tanaka elbow-smashing a XIV box into little pieces and then captioning it as "JACKED UP".

**Lucavi** · 2010-10-14 09:57

Originally Posted by Nirokun!

Fuck you buddy. This game is great if only for the men in subligar and tights /swoon :D

Can we get a filter on psychedelic two-tone mithras? If I have to see another blue-haired mithra with a red or white-tipped tail, I... I don't know what I'm gonna do.

If the gals saved all that dye for cloth and leather, there wouldn't be so many shouts for it every day.

**Dooom** · 2010-10-14 10:20

A "best performance" mode, similar to what Perfect World International has. Basically, it's a button you press for use in laggy areas which reduces the number of players that load up at any one time, and gives loading priority to NPCs and party members. Just spent three minutes running back and forth waiting for my local leve NPC to load up amongst a crowd of players, very frustrating.

**Lucavi** · 2010-10-14 10:36

Even if they put that in, you'd have to restart the game for it to take effect, which would kind of defeat the purpose of turning it on.

SE games simply aren't designed to have graphical changes while the game is running. You can't macro in a bunch of console commands to boost or nerf graphics with a click of a button like you can in some other games.

Hell, just alt-tabbing blows the game up on fullscreen. Let them handle the simple graphical issues before they worry about the complex. SE has to learn how to crawl before they can learn how to walk and run.

**Dooom** · 2010-10-14 10:44

Yeah I didn't think it'd be possible, but I can still dream!

**Ravidrath** · 2010-10-14 14:12

Originally Posted by fussel

IMO, that request is a bit naive, since this might allow powerleveling and afk leveling.

I wouldn't say "naive" - I had thought of this, but I wasn't sure it was even a real problem at the time. Additionally, the current system doesn't do anything to counter power leveling at all.

However, this does seem to be the thing that the XIV team is trying to address with the random SP gains, so we should probably try to come up with something to address, if there is any hope of Square considering such a thing.

Anyway, as far as party leeches go, you can always Oust those people as Mioko said. But obviously RMT and whoever this is really aimed at aren't going to do that, so it's not a complete solution. So there needs to be an additional criteria to be able to receive your piece of the pie.

The simplest criteria would be that you need to get on the threat list, but that's too little and easily manipulated. So I think each player would needs to contribute a certain number of actions relative to the total number of party actions, up to a set number after which the player is automatically deemed worthy of a share.

So say we're killing something with a party of 5, and the entire party uses 100 actions total. If you didn't use at least 10 actions during the fight, you don't get a share of the SP pool.

How the actual percentages and the like work out would likely need to be tuned, but I think...

( 1/2 * ( Total Party Actions / Party Members ))

...seems like it could be a good starting point and account for the action use variance inherent to different party roles.

BTW, right now I'm defining an "action" as anything the game currently gives SP for. So casting AoE Cure and restoring HP on 5 people would count as 5 actions.

Now, I think this system could be easily extended to counter powerleveling, too - enemies just track total actions, and if "too many" actions come from outside the party, then "outside the party" gets a share, which means it simply evaporates.

Any thoughts on this?

It doesn't seem to be any more or less bottable than the random thing they have now, and I think it adequately accounts for the variance different party roles will likely have.

**Nevex** · 2010-10-14 17:27

The random SP gain could be easily fixed by increasing the skill up rate to 100% for each action you perform and adding a static SP gaining formula for each category of actions just like FFXI's Besigied/Campaign.
Are you healing your party members for 0 HP while fighting a decently high level mob? You get 0 SP. Are you healing them for 1k total? 100 SP.
Is your Slow being resisted? 0 SP. Did it land on 3 mobs? 3 * 30 SP.
Are you hitting a mob 10 levels higher than you for 100 damage? 50 SP. Same level as you? 5 SP. 10 levels lower? 1 SP.
If the chat log becomes annoying to read just add a filter for low SP gains and if any of the above becomes easily exploitable (i.e. cures and aoe stuff in general) just add a cap to them.

**Ravidrath** · 2010-10-14 18:50

Originally Posted by Nevex

The random SP gain could be easily fixed by increasing the skill up rate to 100% for each action you perform and adding a static SP gaining formula for each category of actions just like FFXI's Besigied/Campaign.

Yeah, as I was writing my previous thing, I was thinking it might need to head towards this... with a few caveats.

The problem with campaign is that everyone doesn't get the same amount, which I think is unacceptable for exp. parties. If you pool and divide w/ some kind of threshold requirement to get a piece of the pool, then I think it could work.

...But they'd need to pay special attention to each job's ability to contribute to the SP pool or make it very easy to cap, otherwise I worry that certain jobs just won't get invited. In XI, some jobs got amazing exp. from campaign, and others got very little at all, and that could be really bad in a pooled party environment.

I went with the previous proposal because as much as the random thing sucks, the system is there and seems fairly consistent. In XI they clearly had zero interest in balancing the different jobs' ability to exp. in campaign, and I kind of expect the same situation could happen here. To really make it fair for XI, I think they'd need different parameters/caps for each job type, so I expect that the same would be required if they were to go this way.

**Aristio** · 2010-10-14 21:26

Posted for the third time on various forums, my fix to mostly all complaints regarding FFXIV:

Spoiler: show

I wrote this up just because these ideas where the most numerous complaints I heard. It addresses issues like grinding for hours with little in return, manageable inventory issues, durability wearing too fast, forcing players into crafting, traveling from place to place less of a chore, targeting mobs, targeting players, and a tons more other issues. Spending 10 minutes walking from camp to camp or running back to town every time your gear goes below 25%, doesn't make you anymore hardcore than the next person, it just waste everyone's time. It would make the game a lot more enjoyable for more people, while keeping our hardcore group satisfied.

Now to fix the issue of lack of content to do...

**Lucavi** · 2010-10-14 22:09

And you wrote it just like SE would if it was real! Bravo, seriously.

Edit: Read this again, then had to check the lodestone to make sure it wasn't real. Make all of this happen. Seriously. I'd buy 3 months worth of crysta if half the changes there were implemented. I was ready to fire up the game just reading over the skill point section.

**Shade** · 2010-10-14 22:14

It's so beautiful.

**Lucavi** · 2010-10-14 22:16

It really is. I feel like I need to stand in a crowd of people, admiring it with my arm over some stranger while we nod to one another and fight off tears.

**bruiser** · 2010-10-15 00:08

You forgot delivery box, but other than that it's a good list.

**Ksandra** · 2010-10-15 03:00

bitching moved to the flame wars thread

keep this thread ontopic

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