Abyssea - Attohwa Discussion

[Snick]

No Thorny you're wrong you should always bring 18+ people to always trigger !!

I'm only half kidding. So many people are stuck in this mentality for seals dorps. :/

[Plow]

A good small pt can keep time going infinitely, do it on mobs that drop pop items, kill nm, rinse and repeat. It's not complex stuff, and for someone that has a tri-box it's not unreasonable to have a shitton of af at all.

[Snick]

A good small pt can keep time going infinitely, do it on mobs that drop pop items, kill nm, rinse and repeat. It's not complex stuff, and for someone that has a tri-box it's not unreasonable to have a shitton of af at all.

A duo can keep time up infinitely.

[Salmijr]

Yea, once I capped azure and pearl, i was able to dualbox positive time while farming pop items with a rdm and war.

[Francisco]

Is there a "right" way to do this?

We didn't really intend to farm TEs/Gold Chests from the start, but wound up killing some random E.Murex mobs... a couple of pearl and azure each... then we just killed a ton of skeletons with Azure... until we were getting 1250xp + TEs from Blue Boxes, then we just did strictly pearl kills.

For a bit, we were getting chests on almost every kill, then it almost entirely stopped. We maintained time around 30-40 minutes for a good hour, then stopped getting TEs almost completely, and eventually ran out of time.

We didn't follow any sort of guidelines though...

[ejiboo]

I killed almost all my T1s without grellow. I have 6 +2s and 23 +1s. How many do you have?

To elaborate, killing a T1 takes maybe 5 minutes on a bad day. 3 minute repop, during which you can easily get a new trigger. If you add an extra 5 minutes to proc grellow you're nearly doubling it, and you can't even 100% proc.. not to mention adding people means dividing loot that many more ways. If you have it, by all means use it, but it's certainly not more efficient.

13 +2's and 37 +1's of course.

yeah if you're going to build pop sets cool don't proc weakness but if you're going for seals, in my experience 9/10 times i've hit a weakness i've gotten full drops; meaning item, if there is one and 3-4 seals. that's pretty nice if you ask me and it doesn't take anymore time. by the time the mob is dead usually all of the spells/ws's etc have been tried and if it's a no go, it's a no go. not a big deal. if anything it goes faster since support is spamming spells.

[Uzugami]

Fought Ulhuadshi today, dude just like totally raped our tank wasnt really a put-together group but any ideas on how to fight this guy better? Got it to like 65% before we gave up Setup was something like: pld/nin,rdm/whm,whm/sch,sch/rdm,thf/nin,sam/ninx2,rng/sam any ideas?

[Dammerung]

Fought Ulhuadshi today, dude just like totally raped our tank wasnt really a put-together group but any ideas on how to fight this guy better? Got it to like 65% before we gave up Setup was something like: pld/nin,rdm/whm,whm/sch,sch/rdm,thf/nin,sam/ninx2,rng/sam any ideas?

Suck less at curing, get hp atma. And by suck less at curing, make sure you don't have too many people taking damage either so you can't keep up.

[Laika]

I agree that procing grellow on a popped NM is a bit of a waste of time. You'll have to fight so many T1s to get enough T2 pops to complete Empyrean+2s, you'll end up throwing so many seals in the garbage. Procing red on a timed NM *is* worth the effort to get their key item.

Procing red on pop mobs for KI to complete set works as well. If you are just concentrating on finishing t2 sets, there's no reason not to if you have a war to proc like 9/13 of the ws. If you only focus on T2 sets you end up spending less on T1. I'm not saying holding mobs and forcing yellow proc isn't a waste of time, but it definitely doesn't hurt to try.

[zard1977]

Fought Ulhuadshi today, dude just like totally raped our tank wasnt really a put-together group but any ideas on how to fight this guy better? Got it to like 65% before we gave up Setup was something like: pld/nin,rdm/whm,whm/sch,sch/rdm,thf/nin,sam/ninx2,rng/sam any ideas?

Use only 1 melee so that he only absorbs stats from one character (psyche suction sp?). He gains a very noticeable boost in stats after the move (increased def, evasion, magic evasion etc). You can either use a pld tank and manaburn it down or a mnk tank to melee it down.

[fredjanx]

We did it with RDM/NIN tank x2, MNK dd, SCH/WHM, BRD/WHM, and misc blms. You can probably kill it without the blms.
I used Minikin Monstrosity/Ambition atmas, and the other RDM used Ambition/Ebon Hoof atmas.

[firefeng]

Could I solo the Cock NM on SMN?

Might be a bit hairy at times...

And no one commented on this?

Really?

[Holyman]

No Thorny you're wrong you should always bring 18+ people to always trigger !!

I'm only half kidding. So many people are stuck in this mentality for seals dorps. :/

How about no? , you don't need 18 to trigger !! for magic weakness , what's so hard about having BLM RDM SCH BRD BLU WHM & any can /NIN ? w/ 6 u take a bit more time to trigger !! which is confined in 3 elements , get more seals per kill for a bit more time & everyone get happy , instead of wasting time killing potentially dud mobs even if u kill them in 30 sec or whatever u all brag about , imo that's more effecient.

[Fievel]

How about no? , you don't need 18 to trigger !! for magic weakness , what's so hard about having BLM RDM SCH BRD BLU WHM & any can /NIN ? w/ 6 u take a bit more time to trigger !! which is confined in 3 elements , get more seals per kill for a bit more time & everyone get happy , instead of wasting time killing potentially dud mobs even if u kill them in 30 sec or whatever u all brag about , imo that's more effecient.

Oh boy. Are you sure you don't need 18 to proc !!? I'm pretty sure you do.

[fredjanx]

And no one commented on this?

Really?

I won't lie, it made me lol.

[Thorny]

How about no? , you don't need 18 to trigger !! for magic weakness , what's so hard about having BLM RDM SCH BRD BLU WHM & any can /NIN ? w/ 6 u take a bit more time to trigger !! which is confined in 3 elements , get more seals per kill for a bit more time & everyone get happy , instead of wasting time killing potentially dud mobs even if u kill them in 30 sec or whatever u all brag about , imo that's more effecient.

You've been spewing garbage all over the forums, you should stop it.

6 people killing in 5 minutes with weakness~
5 + 3(repop) = 8, ~3.5 seals / 6 = .58 per person per 8 minutes = .07/minute/person

3 people killing in 3 minutes w/o weakness~
3 + 3(repop) = 6, ~1.5 seals / 3 = .5 per person per 6 minutes = .08/minute/person

Who cares if you get duds, it's all about averages. Spam more, get more drops.. and that's assuming you only take 5 minutes to proc weakness each time and can still kill in 5 minutes with that retarded setup. I'd think most would add at least a melee to it for killspeed.

[Francisco]

You've been spewing garbage all over the forums, you should stop it.

6 people killing in 5 minutes with weakness~
5 + 3(repop) = 8, ~3.5 seals / 6 = .58 per person per 8 minutes = .07/minute/person

3 people killing in 3 minutes w/o weakness~
3 + 3(repop) = 6, ~1.5 seals / 3 = .5 per person per 6 minutes = .08/minute/person

Who cares if you get duds, it's all about averages. Spam more, get more drops.. and that's assuming you only take 5 minutes to proc weakness each time and can still kill in 5 minutes with that retarded setup. I'd think most would add at least a melee to it for killspeed.

In most cases (I think), if you have a group of 5 - not everyone is going to need a seal from any specific NM.

Still, I somewhat agree it's not worth going out of your way to proc !! on +1 NMs... if you can do it within certain time restraints, great... if not, no big deal...

+2 NMs on the other hand, it would seem to be highly beneficial to aim for it...

[Plow]

that retarded setup. I'd think most would add at least a melee to it for killspeed.

kind of an aside but manaburn is a lot closer in killspeed these days with some 28 or whatever a tic refresh, especially with temps

[Thorny]

yea but out of:

BLM RDM SCH BRD BLU WHM

only the rdm and blu can stay alive on half of the t1s, so you can't exactly go balls to the wall

rdm rdm is faster than melee mage in a lot of cases, i agree

[Sin Harvest]

Still won, but this kinda shocked us after it only did a max of maybe 400 dmg the whole fight. Guy is a real cupcake though, found glavoid to be much more difficult, not that glavoid is difficult....

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