Abyssea - Vunkerl Discussion

[Ryolen13]

hey guys, whats the maximum amount of amber lights u can get without getting the bigger chests?

[Kincard]

Don't post often about this kind of thing, but I searched the thing's name and found nothing, so for those of you who care:

Fought the Dvergr NM Dvalinn. From what I could see, he would repeatedly cast a spell, then use a WS, then cast a spell, use a WS, etc. Whenever he cast a spell, he would drain magic damage (including the time after the spell processes) until he uses a WS, where he would start draining physical damage.

We just pulled the ghosts near his spawn point and TPed off those and ran in to WS him. Spells with long cast times must be timed very carefully in order not to heal him.

He's not too hard, but if he uses cackle, I'd advise erasing your tank very quickly and for everyone else to get the hell out of there, because a good ga spell will spell the end for them all unless they're a Galka or something.

Drops SMN, BST, PUP Feet seals.

[Guitarman]

good to know. supposedly drops the catastrophe scythe, and i'd love to play around with it.

[zagex]

good to know. supposedly drops the catastrophe scythe, and i'd love to play around with it.

the other dverger NM drops the cat. scythe

[zagex]

do smaller gold chests drop AF more commonly than larger chests?

I can't give you a definitive answer, but the way I see it, Big chests have a larger pool of items/keyitems that can be inside, whereas small chests have a smaller pool of items. So relatively speaking AF would be slightly more common in smaller chests.
However, with big chests, you have more amber light, so you see more gold chests in comparison to other chests.

So it probably balances out in the end and they're the same.

[Thorny]

@Dvalinn: definitely doesn't wait until tp to stop absorbing magic, manaburned him the other day. Takes a second or so after spell finished to stop. Likewise for weaponskills. I don't know what the fuck your players wear, but even with cackle it barely scratched our RDMs.. easily doable with RDM+SMN in 25 minutes or so, add more smn for speed. Notable MDT, T4s were doing around 300 iirc.

[Kincard]

Cackled melees can be killed by -ga spells depending on how many people are in range, what race they are, atmas, etc. Actually, now I think about it Tarus are probably the only people at risk of being one-shotted.

We were doing other stuff so we went there with a rather large group. Didn't notice about the duration of the absorbs since he was using shit pretty much back to back. I think he might have regain since our melees wern't really hitting the guy much outside of WSs.

[Thorny]

Cackled melees can be killed by -ga spells depending on how many people are in range, what race they are, atmas, etc. Actually, now I think about it Tarus are probably the only people at risk of being one-shotted.

Maybe if you don't cast shell or own a MDT set ... what kind of terrible player gears up any job without having PDT and MDT for it these days? This is the type of thing I meant when I was talking about Neo's Glavoid/Failure's Bloodeye.

[Kincard]

yeah man we wouldn't want to do something as obvious and low tech as running out of range of a dangerous attack

[Thorny]

I wasn't saying to eat -gas on purpose, I was saying they aren't the least bit dangerous if you are unfortunate enough to get hit by them. If you show up to any event on a job you had time to properly gear without a MDT set and a PDT set, you are a gimp. Not to mention stun works, wouldn't want to do something as complicated as running out of aoe..

but if he uses cackle, I'd advise erasing your tank very quickly and for everyone else to get the hell out of there, because a good ga spell will spell the end for them all unless they're a Galka or something.

My problem is with that, it's not at all true. Cast shell and use MDT sets like a good player and it's not the least bit of an issue. Posts like this are the reason people think things are hard.. a 1400 -ga being dropped to 700ish with MDT and shell is not scary.

[Kincard]

Yeah, I forgot that when we bring in information to the players we're supposed to word it assuming everyone goes through the trouble of doing what something like a a tenth of the population bothers doing. Whether or not you think it's gimp of someone to do whatever isn't really relevant to most people in a case like this, I'd think.

[Thorny]

Yeah, I forgot that when we bring in information to the players we're supposed to word it assuming everyone goes through the trouble of doing what something like a a tenth of the population bothers doing. Whether or not you think it's gimp of someone to do whatever isn't really relevant to most people in a case like this, I'd think.

You're supposed to word it with numbers and buffs. 'Will one shot anything but a galka' makes it sound threatening to anyone, regardless of how you gear, if you're to be trusted. 'Does about 1400 damage before any reduction' does not.

[Kincard]

Alright then, I'll keep in mind to make a note of precise numbers next time.

[Thorny]

Even if you don't have numbers, there are a lot of better ways to convey your point. If you're an intelligent player, you can say 'one shotted a few of our people who don't own MDT sets/didn't have shell for x excuse/etc'. Seemed to do around XX damage, etc.

[NynJa]

Maybe if you don't cast shell or own a MDT set ... what kind of terrible player gears up any job without having PDT and MDT for it these days? This is the type of thing I meant when I was talking about Neo's Glavoid/Failure's Bloodeye.

You must have some magical gobbiebags that let you equip gear thats in your safe, storage, locker and satchel all in the field.

[Thorny]

You must have some magical gobbiebags that let you equip gear thats in your safe, storage, locker and satchel all in the field.

You must not be very bright if you hit 75/80 without MDT. Stop carrying garbage, carry beneficial gear. There's 0 reason not to have PDT and MDT on any job you're on.. especially considering they were doing a mob that was new to them and didn't know what to expect.

[fredjanx]

How can 1.4k nukes one-shot most melee? with good martello cores and 2 merit abyssites, I'm sittin at 2.1k hp on DRK with almost no hp+ gear <.<

[FailureMidgard]

I've posted info on this NM like 3 times now. Also rdm+smn sounds terrible seeing as rdm+sam can do it in 4-5min. The thing has no hp and is a total joke...

[Thorny]

I've posted info on this NM like 3 times now. Also rdm+smn sounds terrible seeing as rdm+sam can do it in 4-5min. The thing has no hp and is a total joke...

Good to know. Had no melee in alliance when I did it(long story, but it wasn't by choice). I was just pointing out that saying it'll one shot anything is retarded.

[carmancilla]

Did that NM too recently and was surprised that I landed gravity and bind on it... I had the +Magic Acc Atma though so maybe that helped no idea if it would build resists from those. Got the Atma from it too. (Refresh +10 INT +50 Enimity -idk)