Abyssea - Vunkerl Discussion

[Kidnoftle]

Wat. It's elemental dmg that goes through all those things. Barwatera and man^.

[Massimo]

For NIN whose main point of defense is eva and... utsu, the latter is almost close to useless for this fight. Hence why I said something with seigan may just as hell be better for the purpose of this whole fight.

Except that something with Seigan should be using Hasso.

[Kidnoftle]

ITT: Defensive strategies

[Massimo]

Wimps. Your best defense is a good offense.

[Rehn]

Wat. It's elemental dmg that goes through all those things. Barwatera and man^.

I think at this point you're just taking my post out of context. I can kill sedna as NIN, I've already stated that. Not being able to rely on utsu is meh, but I can do it. Which means any DD job should be able to as well. Can another job do it better? Not gonna doubt that for sure.

[Rehn]

Except that something with Seigan should be using Hasso.

Well, yea, I suppose. Sometimes you might need a breather to not let yourself get caught by waterja/ga IV > double attack.

[Kidnoftle]

My point would have had nothing to do with the fact that nin is one of the top dds ingame now. Maybe if you said, "I tp in full aurore and I can still kill it" your point would of made sense. That being said waterja shouldn't be dropping you that bad nor should watergaIV. I assume you have capped shell and barwater on tho.

[Tsuko_Asura]

BRD with full AF3+2 + Water Carol II = Sedna completely unable to damage you

[Rehn]

Nothing in my original post towards him said "NIN isn't ideal as a dd" or "NIN isn't that great damage-wise on sedna" so how you thought I said NIN isn't top-tier DD-wise is beyond me. I have kannagi, so I know what my NIN is capable of. Damage-wise my NIN makes sedna go faster, but I prefer the safety net of HP/counterstance on MNK by far. Not to say I wouldn't do sedna on NIN if need be, but it could be smoother.

He said MNK isn't an option, so WAR and SAM are definite runner-ups. I don't see why using seigan is a bad thing since they are lowmanning it; he still does melee in between the spell/ws spam. If they can handle it, swapping to hasso is as simple as hitting a macro, so not a big deal right?

Waterga IV/waterja alone isn't the problem, it's when he follows up with aqua blast/cannon + double attack.

[fredjanx]

BRD with full AF3+2 + Water Carol II = Sedna completely unable to damage you

Couple of days before the potential fix.

[Kidnoftle]

Nothing in my original post towards him said "NIN isn't ideal as a dd" or "NIN isn't that great damage-wise on sedna" so how you thought I said NIN isn't top-tier DD-wise is beyond me. I have kannagi, so I know what my NIN is capable of. Damage-wise my NIN makes sedna go faster, but I prefer the safety net of HP/counterstance on MNK by far. Not to say I wouldn't do sedna on NIN if need be, but it could be smoother.

He said MNK isn't an option, so WAR and SAM are definite runner-ups. I don't see why using seigan is a bad thing since they are lowmanning it; he still does melee in between the spell/ws spam. If they can handle it, swapping to hasso is as simple as hitting a macro, so not a big deal right?

Waterga IV/waterja alone isn't the problem, it's when he follows up with aqua blast/cannon + double attack.

I'd tell you to get better healers. Sorry, I guess the wording in your first post was just vague then. I've never had a problem with hp on sedna but I will agree that if it is a problem going to war would be better (never sam unless you have a masamune >.>). Other option would be just using impreg tower over VV which will hurt your dmg but not nearly as much as resorting to seigan or idling in mdt/eva gear.

[fredjanx]

The main issue with Sedna is

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Procing Grellow >_>

[cdgreg]

The main issue with Sedna is

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Procing Grellow >_>

I laughed, then I laughed at myself, then I realized what you were doing, then I felt stupid, then I agreed

[Rehn]

Spawn conditions for sippoy? Been in vunk on multiple occasions for 30+ min and never saw it up.

[ccf]

Spawn conditions for sippoy? Been in vunk on multiple occasions for 30+ min and never saw it up.

Several people in other thread suggest 30 min repop, does depop but repop fast, keep searching I think. Fought it like 3 times over the weekend, so definitely more up than down now.

As for what pops it, I think the jury is still out but my experience after update is he's almost up when I go to vunkerl inlet, so not sure I care at this point.

Good luck!

[Rehn]

I have. At one point I decided to pop armiliara and just farmed time chests and stayed there for nearly 2 hours, and never saw him once. Never saw anyone else coast by either on my 2 chars. This is for the ragnarok server.

[Macc]

Sippoy's never up on Shiva either. Camped for three hours Saturday and didn't pop once; neither did any of the avatars.

[Skeelo]

Spent 5 hrs camping sippoy last night and no pop. We tried killing all 3 ramuh at the same time, tried killing giant, tried killing all free roaming nms. Nothing worked. Wrryyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[Kidnoftle]

Were you sure it wasn't up and roaming away from where you were? Also, were you sure it just didn't pop/depop.

[Raen Ryong]

I also camped Sippoy for about 90 minutes using ApRadar and running most places around the zone (killing random NMs/farming boxes etc with a couple of people waiting at Sippoy spawn); death position never changed. We also killed Ramuh many times, nada.