Final Magian/Empyreon Armor.

[Lasareth]

1% haste isn't something you can eyeball

Yes it is. The difference is easy to visualize between 4% and 5% on a 464 damage gkt. Have two people engage a rock, 4% person engages first, 5% engages immediately after the first. Swing at it for 5 minutes. The person who engaged 2nd and with more haste will eventually swing before the person with less haste. Try it out, unless it makes you uncomfortable to be proven wrong.

I can't tell if you're trolling or just being dumb. Anyone who's played samurai knows that hasso itself is purely JA haste. The 1% enhancement on the legs is what's being called into question, not the ability.

If you want to argue credibility, yours was the one lost when you revealed your lack of knowledge in stating 26 and 27% gear hastes were "uneven." I'd also like for you to explain how Catastrophe, a weaponskill, gives gear haste if you're so adamant about SE following precedent in haste trends. Your posts indicate you can't analyze the results of tests, regardless of whether or not they're backed by sufficient sample sizes.

And @ pooter no my 2nd and 3rd tests were purely anecdotal and I haven't redone them for confirmation, but I stand by the first test and my conclusion from that that unkai+1 haidate + hasso is the same haste as byakko's haidate + hasso. I'd test more if I felt it was necessary but I am personally satisfied with what I found. I just posted here hoping that someone could confirm or deny my findings instead of having people make argumentative statements which in themselves aren't backed by any testing.

[Karbuncle]

Read back someone just posted all the quests for all jobs and the fame levels. Seriously just read the threads and you'll have 90% of your questions answered at the very least you'll have as much info as everyone else.

Won't even have to read the thread ^^ i have it all in the OP

[EjinCaitsith]

My God you're a bastard lol, very sexy indeed.
What are the +2 drop rates like?

We farmed 6 Titlacauan pops in 6-7~ hours with 10~ people, barring 2-3 Hound and Skele key items we had before the run. Jewel is 100% and we got 4/6 vision stones also~

[Maxwell]

Yes it is. The difference is easy to visualize between 4% and 5% on a 464 damage gkt. Have two people engage a rock, 4% person engages first, 5% engages immediately after the first. Swing at it for 5 minutes. The person who engaged 2nd and with more haste will eventually swing before the person with less haste. Try it out, unless it makes you uncomfortable to be proven wrong.

I can't tell if you're trolling or just being dumb. Anyone who's played samurai knows that hasso itself is purely JA haste. The 1% enhancement on the legs is what's being called into question, not the ability.

If you want to argue credibility, yours was the one lost when you revealed your lack of knowledge in stating 26 and 27% gear hastes were "uneven." I'd also like for you to explain how Catastrophe, a weaponskill, gives gear haste if you're so adamant about SE following precedent in haste trends. Your posts indicate you can't analyze the results of tests, regardless of whether or not they're backed by sufficient sample sizes.

And @ pooter no my 2nd and 3rd tests were purely anecdotal and I haven't redone them for confirmation, but I stand by the first test and my conclusion from that that unkai+1 haidate + hasso is the same haste as byakko's haidate + hasso. I'd test more if I felt it was necessary but I am personally satisfied with what I found. I just posted here hoping that someone could confirm or deny my findings instead of having people make argumentative statements which in themselves aren't backed by any testing.

This was pretty easily tested this morning:

JA haste doesn't effect spell recast, gear haste does.

Utsu Ni recast: 45 seconds.

Utsu Ni recast with Byakkos only: 41 seconds.

Utsu Ni recast with Unkai+2 only: 42 seconds.

Utsu Ni recast with hasso: 107.5 seconds.

Utsu Ni recast with hasso and byakkos: 105.25 seconds calculated, 104 seconds shown by recast timer.

Utsu Ni recast with hasso and Unkai +2: 103.25 seconds calculated (assuming it does give 5% gear haste), 102 seconds shown by recast timer. So actually a bit higher than 5% gear haste added by enhances hasso.

Means I can cap haste during hasso with just Turban, Unkai+2, usukane feet, bullwhip, and NQ dusk gloves (27% haste, so could swap head for askar or hands for askar even, if you wanted too..).

[nekura]

You're a moron lol. And ty Xanthe, so the average is 60%, thus vindicating my original statement about a straight 75% reduction being better.

I guess in Thorny's world 60% > 75%

Christ, are you serious? Maybe you should follow your own advice:

Reading Comprehension ftw.

[EjinCaitsith]

This was pretty easily tested this morning:

JA haste doesn't effect spell recast, gear haste does.

Utsu Ni recast: 45 seconds.

Utsu Ni recast with Byakkos only: 41 seconds.

Utsu Ni recast with Unkai+2 only: 42 seconds.

Utsu Ni recast with hasso: 107.5 seconds.

Utsu Ni recast with hasso and byakkos: 105.25 seconds calculated, 104 seconds shown by recast timer.

Utsu Ni recast with hasso and Unkai +2: 103.25 seconds calculated (assuming it does give 5% gear haste), 102 seconds shown by recast timer. So actually a bit higher than 5% gear haste added by enhances hasso.

Means I can cap haste during hasso with just Turban, Unkai+2, usukane feet, bullwhip, and NQ dusk gloves (27% haste, so could swap head for askar or hands for askar even, if you wanted too..).

Good news for 5-hit builds where you need to sacrifice haste for stp (esp amano)

[Malacite]

Any testing done with +2's yet to see if they further enhance or change the effects?

I mean SE can't really be stupid enough to just boost Seigan's duration.... can they?

[Aurara]

Any testing done with +2's yet to see if they further enhance or change the effects?

I mean SE can't really be stupid enough to just boost Seigan's duration.... can they?

Sure they can, its typical of SE :<

[Motenten]

Utsu Ni recast with hasso: 107.5 seconds.

Did you mean 1:07.5? (ie: 67.5 seconds)

Utsu Ni recast with Byakkos only: 41 seconds.

Utsu Ni recast with Unkai+2 only: 42 seconds.

Should also note the calculated recast times for those two. Should be 42.80 for Byakko's and 43.24 for Unkai, so you're behind by almost a full second using the Recast plugin as your source. Should bring up the magic menu before the spell finishes to check recasts, rather than rely on the plugin, as it should be somewhat more precise.

Utsu Ni recast with hasso and byakkos: 105.25 seconds calculated, 104 seconds shown by recast timer.

Utsu Ni recast with hasso and Unkai +2: 103.25 seconds calculated (assuming it does give 5% gear haste), 102 seconds shown by recast timer. So actually a bit higher than 5% gear haste added by enhances hasso.

Calculated recasts with Hasso up using /1024 math:

No gear: 67.5
Byakko's: 65.30
Unkai: 65.74

Maximum haste with Unkai is reducing total recast to 62 seconds. That would be -125/1024, or 12% haste (so a bonus of 8%). However you would not actually see 1:02 if that were the case due to the Recast plugin's delayed response.

More probable is that recast is reduced to somewhere between 63 and 63.8 seconds. That's between -84 and -102, or 8% to 10%. Since you start with 4% on the gear itself, that's a bonus of between 4% and 6%.


If you were to test reraise, if you can ever get an 85 second recast (1:25, from the menu), then the haste boost is just +4% (actual recast: 85.3). +5% would give 84.7, and +6% would give 84.1 (could estimate based on how long 1:24 remained on screen).

[Kirschy]

This was pretty easily tested this morning:

JA haste doesn't effect spell recast, gear haste does.

Utsu Ni recast: 45 seconds.

Utsu Ni recast with Byakkos only: 41 seconds.

Utsu Ni recast with Unkai+2 only: 42 seconds.

Utsu Ni recast with hasso: 107.5 seconds.

Utsu Ni recast with hasso and byakkos: 105.25 seconds calculated, 104 seconds shown by recast timer.

Utsu Ni recast with hasso and Unkai +2: 103.25 seconds calculated (assuming it does give 5% gear haste), 102 seconds shown by recast timer. So actually a bit higher than 5% gear haste added by enhances hasso.

Means I can cap haste during hasso with just Turban, Unkai+2, usukane feet, bullwhip, and NQ dusk gloves (27% haste, so could swap head for askar or hands for askar even, if you wanted too..).

Unfortunately this test was either poorly done, or used recast plugin which sometimes gives different results. 5% on Byakkos gives you a 42 second recast. I had to double check myself, but it is 42 seconds.
http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/1...0918152135.png
(Notice the difference in recast and the menu. While recast plugin is one of the best features of windower, it's not the best for testing.)

Utsu Ni /w Hasso + Byakkos is: (45 * 1.5) * ([1024-50]/1024) = 64 seconds which matches your recast time, and mine just now as I re-tested it. (Sometimes recast plugin does work well!)

Utsu Ni /w Hasso + 4% is: (45 * 1.5) * ([1024-40]/1024) = 64 seconds. (Re-tested with Dusk Gloves +1 to double check.)

For Ni recast /w Hasso + AF1+1 legs:
If recast was off and it was 103 seconds, then you were getting 54 - 68 on your haste term. (~1.4% - 2.7% increase )
If recast wasn't off and it was 102 seconds, then you were getting 69 - 83 on your haste term. ( ~2.8% - 4.2% increase )

I am going to the San Gennaro fest today so I won't be around to play with numbers, but since this test is showing a reduction in recast time there's no reason we shouldn't have an accurate estimate on the increase.

EDIT: I took forever to post, so beaten by Motenten =p

[kiyashi]

So I take it then that Unkai+1 with hasso is the same as byakko with hasso right? So that means +1 would be used for people without byakkos? Then HQ+2 replaces byakkos? Also these pants would only be in a hasso using situation right? Seigan would mean you'd switch to byakkos for the extra+1 haste?

[Kaslo]

Read back someone just posted all the quests for all jobs and the fame levels. Seriously just read the threads and you'll have 90% of your questions answered at the very least you'll have as much info as everyone else.

Hell all of it is on the wiki now too...

[Maxwell]

Thanx for the corrections Moten and Kirschy. I knew my tests weren't that accurate, just did some quick tests before breakfast and was hoping some people could check for me here.

I can use the menu to test today and see if I have more accurate numbers.

With the possible range, probably 5% gear haste added for the +2 during hasso, which is pretty damn awesome (9% haste leg slot, and that's not even counting the other stats on those legs).

Pretty nifty too is that you could full time the +2 set for 15% haste, and only need 11% more haste (bullwhip + dusk+1) to cap haste while getting full AF3+2 set bonus. Makes me wonder what kind of haste values we'll see on the AF3+2 hands/body.

Additionally, someone needs to test the recast values for +1 and +2 head, to see if this kind of value is added to Seigan, or if that enhancement is anticipation or counter rate boost.

[Lyramion]

while getting full AF3+2 set bonus.

What makes you believe Scars 3x AF3 will be a set and not all 5x AF3+2 together?

[Odin'sLaw]

What makes you believe Scars 3x AF3 will be a set and not all 5x AF3+2 together?

i'm feeling cocky, WoTG sets says Hi, but since we only have 3 pieces i have a feeling the bonus will increase with 5

[Malacite]

i'm feeling cocky, WoTG sets says Hi, but since we only have 3 pieces i have a feeling the bonus will increase with 5

Wait wait wait... So if you have all 3 of the items right now, the set bonus kicks in?! I was under the impression you needed all 5 items...

[orson]

Wait wait wait... So if you have all 3 of the items right now, the set bonus kicks in?! I was under the impression you needed all 5 items...

With a lot of newer sets the set bonuses have kicked in once you have 2 pieces and are cumulative with more pieces. I'm betting that these sets are the same way.

[Lyramion]

Well... does it? Did anyone run tests?

[orson]

Well... does it? Did anyone run tests?

Being that the gear is so crappy I doubt we'll ever see anyone finish 2 pieces and report the details. You should probably start working on it yourself otherwise we may never know.

[Clash Perez]

Most of the set bonuses don't lend themselves to easy testing, especially for what would likely be small bonuses for 2-3 pieces.

The RDM set bonus looks like it could be tested pretty easily, but I haven't seen anything in this thread about people having 2 or 3 +2's complete.