Final Magian/Empyreon Armor.

[Taint]

Outside of Ascetic's Fury brokenness, OA2-3 Footwork with full Tantra +2 > Fire Taipan +1 with full Tantra +2 > Fire Taipan +1 with full Usu > OA2-3 Footwork with Poise > Fire Taipan (lvl 80) with full Usu. This doesn't count whatever the possible "augments kick attacks" is. OA2-3 Footwork with Tantra +2 is about as far ahead of standard with Tantra +2 as their lvl 80 counterparts were.

I'm wondering whether the high weaponskill rate possible with OA2-3 Footwork would compensate for the somewhat lower base damage if you used Ascetic's Fury with it. Since such a large portion of Fury's damage is from mods rather than the base weapon it may be worth it to go that route if you're weaponskilling ~40% more often. (edit: assuming Razed Ruin atma, obviously, which I don't have, so can't test)

OAT will be beastly with RR and Ascetic's Fury. There are good damage threads on Alla comparing all the 85 weapons.

[KSDI]

I think motenten knows about those posts, he's Kinematics on alla, the guy who wrote them

[Taint]

I think motenten knows about those posts, he's Kinematics on alla, the guy who wrote them

Then yes he would LOL!

[Motenten]

Sorry for sounding so clueless, but how do you determine the exact DMG+ from kicks?

Find max crit damage using Footwork and back-calculate from there.

[Kirschy]

Find max crit damage using Footwork and back-calculate from there.

With the randomness of crit damage, isn't that still hard to determine accurately though?

[Motenten]

With the randomness of crit damage, isn't that still hard to determine accurately though?

Not really. May take a bit of time to get enough samples, but rarely more than 10-15 minutes, and usually doable within 5.

You also have two thresholds that give you a measure of confirmation: ~2.6 is the min possible crit value, and 3.0 is the min for the most frequent samples. The high frequency sample range should have a ratio (max/min) of 1.05, and the full sample range ratio shouldn't be higher than 1.21.

Example: 41(skill)+10(fstr)+18(Footwork)+N(footwear) = 69+N base damage. If most of your crits are between 342 (3.0 pDif) and 359 (3.15 pDif), that pretty much solidifies it as d+45. And of course you can use the max sample value to confirm that it has to be at least some X.

Edit: stupid mistake, forgot footwork bonus damage for example.

[Kirschy]

Thanks, I guess I was expecting the randomness to make accuracy in predicting such values a lot worse. Nice to know we can get some good values~

[Lyramion]

Excuse my ignorance but can you explain what currently is the "Ascetic's Fury brokenness"?

[zard1977]

Atma of the razed ruins makes every ws with "Chance of critical hit varies with TP" godly in abyssea.

[Ryolen13]

hihi, just got PUP af3+1 feet and have no idea as to how they enhance tactical switch, doing some testing atm but not finding anything. anyoen know what they do?

edit: it appears they give an extra 10? TP to both auto and master, not 100% sure tho...

edit: think its +10% lol mabe 10.5 <.<;; idk how the game does math crap but its not exactly 10%

[Atoreis]

Masamune isnt more broken then most other Emp weapons. WAR is probably much much more broken. Those Ukkos for 1400 was outside of abyssea w/o Raizen Ruins. Dont forget that some jobs like mnk,nin,war has DPS % much higher in overall dmg then SAM has and those Double dmg aftermath will give them much more.
WAR can now have like 25%hatse 30%DA and 30+%DD and Ukko's with RR probably beats or are equal to fudo and 100% beats it on higher def mobs (fudo is non crit and non pdif bonus from what we know). Amount of DPS on WAR and MNK and NIN with aftermath up is just ridiculous and all 3 of those jobs has strong boost from RR atma on both DPS and WS.

Just to picture this:
haste 25% for all of them, capped fSTR (assuming RR + EE atmas), 35% double damage.
WAR dps 41.55
MNK/nin dps 63.87
NIN/war dps 59.62
SAM/war dps 35.91

Now WAR can retaliation on top of that. Mnk can counter (for a lot of dmg with perfect counter and af3 head). NIN dps is with Kamome offhand so not include increase in dps from massive critical hit rate and critical hit dmg+. RR atma will push this differences even more and I seriously doubt that any of the 3 WS will lose to Fudo with RR atma.
I actually forgot to add 10% DA from EE atma so those numbers would be even more on favor of MNK WAR NIN.

[Plow]

Has anyone tested if oadd aftermath works on offhand?

Assuming not, kanna/toki could be a prime setup. Would bump the nin's (lol)"dps" up around or above the mnk, no?

[Atoreis]

Highly doubt that NIN is in fact not above MNK already. I didnt include bonus from Kamome 10% crit dmg and Iga Erimaki. Assumign with RR atma you crit like 80% of the time (im serious) then 12% bonus to crit dmg would put the dps at 64+. Kamome is best possible offhand for dps with Kannogi.

Also dont forget SET: bonus from af3. SAM seems to be lol, when WAR and NIN sounds a lot better and MNK a little more marginal wen using fists still probably adds some dmg.

[Anomander]

Tried looking back a few pages and wasn't able to find anything with search.

Just a note on the enhances seigan on the unkai kabuto +1, it seems to allow you to counter without having third eye up.

Spoiler: show

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/h...009_022901.png

As can be seen in the screenshot, recast shows third eye as not having been re-used, and I took damage immediately prior to the counter. Also, I was not wearing usukane gloves.

Fought a few more mobs to confirm, without ever using third eye, had a few more counters. Process rate seems fairly low (eyeballing/small sample). Kind of a meh upgrade, unless the counter check from the upgrade can occur instead of a third eye anticipate/counter.

[Massimo]

Interesting. And you're sure you weren't wearing Usu hands or MKD head?

[Anomander]

Yes, positive. I haven't yet finished MKD, and while I do usually run around in usukane (I like the way it looks) I do not fight with it on (spellcast etc). After I took the screenshot, I stuck the gloves in my satchel to be safe, and had a couple more counters.

I've tried playing around with it some more, and the proc rate does seem pretty low.

[darkreign]

I search in here and ask in the random thread but no luck so far.

Anyone did some testing on the enhance seigan on af3+1 Sam head? I can't figure out what it enhance.

Ty

[Atoreis]

I search in here and ask in the random thread but no luck so far.

Anyone did some testing on the enhance seigan on af3+1 Sam head? I can't figure out what it enhance.

Ty

Are you serious? :D

[Andradi]

What a great start.

Scroll up.

[darkreign]

Are you serious? :D

O shit i feel dumb as hell now

Didn't saw that post when i wake up I guess i was still half asleep.

I'm sorry I'll go back into my cave