new job abilities/traits/spells, and adjustments to old ones thread! 9/8/10

[Lane]

What level do you think BLM will get Meteor? Will there ever be an Ultima? Ultima has been both a white and black magic, so maybe it'll be SCH's ultimate nuke.

[Tachi]

Is Earthen Armor a one time save me or does the effect remain for full duration? ; diminishing effect after proc?

It remain after (like a Phalanx) but the duration is short without a smn skill build. Very handy against Throat Stab moves or things like Ovni under Boost...

[Yabby]

What level do you think BLM will get Meteor? Will there ever be an Ultima? Ultima has been both a white and black magic, so maybe it'll be SCH's ultimate nuke.

wow

[Shenrien]

What level do you think BLM will get Meteor? Will there ever be an Ultima? Ultima has been both a white and black magic, so maybe it'll be SCH's ultimate nuke.

When FFXI gets shut down.

[Darkmagi]

This guy is really smart. Get temp banned for post count spamming, what do I do? Do it again obviously.

[Hanyoko]

It remain after (like a Phalanx) but the duration is short without a smn skill build. Very handy against Throat Stab moves or things like Ovni under Boost...

Ok I do see the uses now. When you know the mob can/will use a big move (hp% trigger or what not) and its not a PD situation.

[Psion]

SE did mention that BLM would get meteor, just not what level.

And screw you guys and ultima. That spell is reserved for black mage automatons, YOU FEEBLE TARUTARU BODIES CAN'T HANDLE THIS MAGIC! ONLY OUR SOULLESS MACHINES CAN!

[Jeryhn]

I don't know why you BLMs are interested in Ultima. For player use, it'll be grossly underpowered despite whatever buffs you throw up behind it, the resist rate will be through the roof, and all you'll do is complain to SE about how you got some shitty spell and are stuck casting Thundaja for the rest of your lives.

Ultima hasn't been good since FF6 anyway.

[Psion]

The delicious thing about automatons though, is they get ridiculous amounts of MAB and direct damage boost, so even weaker spells do roughly 60%-80% more damage than normal. :O

And with SE's current changes to the game, I wouldn't be shocked at ultima doing 4-5k+ damage anymore. I mean, just look at Odin. At blu's new spells, hell, those things can do 2-3k damage on IT mobs, someone did a ridiculous amount of damage to an IT colibri in abyssea with quadratic continuum.

I don't think anything that comes out in the came can surprise me any more now. :3

[Karbuncle]

It remain after (like a Phalanx) but the duration is short without a smn skill build. Very handy against Throat Stab moves or things like Ovni under Boost...

What kind of SMN don't have a Summoning Skill build =.=a?

How long does it last with say... ~+50~70 over the cap?

[Mercilessturtle]

The delicious thing about automatons though, is they get ridiculous amounts of MAB and direct damage boost, so even weaker spells do roughly 60%-80% more damage than normal. :O

Automatons get huge MAB from ice maker to make up for the fact that they don't get staff bonus. Their per-nuke damage is nothing special.

[Lyltia]

And with SE's current changes to the game, I wouldn't be shocked at ultima doing 4-5k+ damage anymore.

I certainly hope it's stronger than that, it's already pretty easy to get those numbers in Abyssea with the spells we have.

[Psion]

Automatons get huge MAB from ice maker to make up for the fact that they don't get staff bonus. Their per-nuke damage is nothing special.

Reaaaaaaaaaaally now...

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Keep in mind, that may or may not be 10% less damage than normal due to ice weather being up. Doing WoE so not really interested in checking. Ice maker with 3 ice maneuvers gives a whopping 60% nuke bonus, which puts even the damage magian staves to shame. Even at 1 ice it's still 20% direct bonus, and that's on top of all the MAB and such that an automaton gets from ice makers/mana channeler/ optic fiber/gear/atma. and before you start whining about how blm is more accurate in nukes, and the automaton can't land it on anything worth a damn, tranquilizer can be substituted for a minor hit to MAB for a whopping boost to magic accuracy. No one knows how much it is, but it's enough that my Oniwaka often resists LESS than the blms, often having 95% magic accuracy on even all but the most magic resistant NMs... at which point it's probably better to use melee damage anyways.

[Mercilessturtle]

I know it is fun to assume pup is the bestest and everyone who thinks otherwise has never seen a pup before, but I am a pup. I know all about it, and I think it is fun too. But that doesn't change the fact that automaton's per nuke damage is nothing special. Posting a screenshot of you doing damage that is only slightly higher than a blm is not a convincing argument that pup does "60-80% more damage". It just shows you don't realize how much damage a blm does.

[Draylo]

Ultima was pretty good in ff8, I don't see them adding it in this game though, maybe to a mob. I hope meteor is blm only... sch and pup shouldn't get iconic spells like that!

[Psion]

I know it is fun to assume pup is the bestest and everyone who thinks otherwise has never seen a pup before, but I am a pup. I know all about it, and I think it is fun too. But that doesn't change the fact that automaton's per nuke damage is nothing special. Posting a screenshot of you doing damage that is only slightly higher than a blm is not a convincing argument that pup does "60-80% more damage". It just shows you don't realize how much damage a blm does.

I never said pup did 60-80% more damage per nuke than blm, I said that ice maker is a 60% boost to the spells base damage. <.< So yes, it isn't a convincing arguement that pup does 60-80% more damage than a blms aero V, because that wasn't what I was arguing in the first place. Not my fault your pup sucks and you Q.Q over how you aren't doing well.

And I'm technically missing 13 int, and 6 MAB for the automaton in gear still.

Regardless of whether the nukes pup dishes out are slightly or much higher than a blms though per nuke, on anything that survives longer than a minute pup will win out on anything where MP or hate is even a slight concern.

[Mercilessturtle]

Why do you insist on acting like a fucktard? You said automatons "do roughly 60-80% more damage than normal". You just posted a SS of your amazing per nuke damage thinking you were showing me something I haven't seen. And now that you've been told it's nothing special, you want to forget all that and argue that pup is a good smn replacement instead. Yeah, no shit. That's what pup is, a smn replacement for those fights where you need hate free nukes. Notice how that has absolutely nothing to do with anything?

And the "your pup sucks" shit is just stupid, you know everyone's pup is the same. If you think random augmented pet mab accessories is the difference between outnuking blms and QQing over "not doing well" then you are even stupider than you sound.

[Psion]

Yeah, if you think everyone's pup is the same, you already aren't qualified to play pup.

It's one of those jobs where skill makes a gigantic difference, along with attachments and gear.

Also, I would like to see a good blms comparison nukes before you declare it's nothing special. I mean shit, it shouldn't be too hard right? after all, it's "nothing special", so it should be easy to match right?

[Mercilessturtle]

Yeah, obviously all that skill you have makes your attachments work extra hard right? Us shitty no skill pups nuke for so much less. In case you have already forgotten again, we're talking about per nuke damage. It does not take any skill at all to put up maneuvers and deploy, and there is no way for skill to make you nuke harder. Why does someone pointing out a simple fact ("Automatons get huge MAB from ice maker to make up for the fact that they don't get staff bonus. Their per-nuke damage is nothing special.") cause you to have such a fit? Just because you have a hard-on for a joke job doesn't mean you need to fly off the handle and pretend people are attacking it every time the job is mentioned in any context.

[Phraust]

Holy shitfit Batman...

You're raging like a teenage girl on the rag.

Go change your tampon and relax.