Abyssea Discussion II: Finally, a reason to be Windurstian..

[Atoreis]

No. I'm not sure what exactly does it, but it isn't party size. If you find a spawn that is EP/DC, you can cleave them all day with more than a full party and still have them stay EP/DC. And then you can have one pup come in and start soloing them and crank them up to T/VT. Time from agro till death might be a factor.

We playing different game then.

I play trio for like 2 week now and 10h a day avg and EVERY single time I came on spot and mobs was DC or VT after we killed they was repoping T no single VT or EM for 10h. My friend sometimes go solo and i fight mob 1 minute or getting tp on staff and we killing it more then 1 minute and they repop T. We kill with Sv marches and kill mob in 10 sec they repop T. We invited one person and mobs starteed to repop as VT. Person left they went back to T. Party od 6 ppl came and killed somee mobs on our camp they repoped VT. Thats happened on Flys, pixies, frogs in la thaine and on saplings in KH. When I was soloing on BLU (spiders in vunkler and murex in misar) I was getting only DC-EM repops and that was w/e if they were Dc when i came or VT. Once ally came to kill iktomi they killed some spiders they repoped VT. sometimes I was one shooting those spiders for 6k Quadratic and sometimes I was out of mp (this was before I got MM so sometimes I had only 5 tic) and needed to finish with swords and was killing more then 1 minute and they were always same lvl range. First thing I do now if mobs are VT on camp I kill all so they repop T and are easier to link and they always repop T. If you really need ss as proof I can make some but not now because its 2 am and my friend already sleeping because of work early.

Sorry for chaos in this post but im very sleepy.

[Nightfyre]

When I duo mobs they usually respawn T or VT, not EM. Kill faster consistently (ie 10+ min) and see if they don't repop higher.

[Atoreis]

I was killing once with Sv marches for like 1h (brd was getting soothing chest back to back) and they still was T.

[Mercilessturtle]

Like I said, you can cleave an entire spawn of EP/DC mobs with as many people leeching as you want, and have them all respawn EP/DC. And you can easily get mobs respawning at T solo. You can easily prove your own theory wrong if you have a job that is capable of soloing easy preys.

[Atoreis]

Like I said, you can cleave an entire spawn of EP/DC mobs with as many people leeching as you want, and have them all respawn EP/DC. And you can easily get mobs respawning at T solo. You can easily prove your own theory wrong if you have a job that is capable of soloing easy preys.

I havent seen EP mobs for 1 month XD

[Sylvrdragon]

Yesterday I was killing pixies solo on BLU. When I got to the camp, there were plenty of DC/EM, but after killing them for a bit, there were nothing but VTs spawning. I thought I was just unlucky. Granted, there was another duo killing them and some group farming Baba and Cara that pulled some as well. Lucky for me there isn't much different between the tiers on BLU.

[Darkmagi]

I am highly leaning towards mob levels varying based on death from time of aggro. After much cleaving, it's plain to see when long/slower pulls rarely get mobs to repop past T. Yet when people instantly kill a mob nearby it will repop VT+.

[Kegsay]

Am I right in assuming cleave PTs do not claim (as in make name go red) every monster they pull?

There are three variables I have personally noticed affecting repop level:

- Party size of claimers (i.e. are you soloing, duoing, in 18 person ally etc)
Reasoning: I love to farm murex solo on my BLU. They never repop higher than Tough by conflux #1 in Vunkerl. However, when I've done exactly the same whilst in an alliance (I'm farming TEs for them) they go VT/IT. This has always happened and that is the only difference I can see between the two accounts. What I think can happen is that when AoE killing monsters, the claim factor is messed up and doesn't work correctly.

- Killspeed
Reasoning: Aside from SE clearly stating so from NPC dialog/abyssea update page, taking ages to kill monsters seems to limit the growth/speed of level increase. Killing really quickly can make the very next repops IT rather than a smooth increase in levels. I believe this factor is separate of claim, so it is killspeed of the monsters in general.

- Monster Group (actual group, not monster family)
Reasoning: Before I spammed Vunkerl for murex, I did Misareaux murex by #3. At the time there were 4~5 BLUs all soloing murex for the spicules as we had just found out Yurim=Mavi. They never repopped higher than Even Match, even though we were killing insanely quickly (as in, we actually had to wait for repops). Why then, do Vunkerl murex pop Tough when soloing? Furthermore, when I did murex by #2 in Vunkerl, they went to IT when I was soloing them. It appears that just as some monsters don't give ruby light (e.g. Pachys), there appears to be a group specific level modifier which can affect where the level settles at in relation to killspeed/pt size.

What level the monsters repop at I personally believe to be a function of all three variables.

Of course, this is all anecdotal and I encourage people to try out what I've done and see if they agree or provide counter-accounts so we can model this correctly.

From the SE page (note: "party's level" not player who got killshot, player level, etc):

The strength of Abyssean monsters and the frequency with which they appear will vary based upon the party's level and the speed with which similar foes have been dispatched. High-level parties will draw the attention of even more formidable fiends, and slaying foes in short order will see the equally rapid arrival of reinforcements.

[Aemora]

I can only add to this brief discussion what my experiences are from soloing shit on Rdm and Blm (for Magian staves).

I recently completed Indra's on Treants in Attohwa, and when I'd get to camp, a lot of the trees were T-VT, and after killing one, it'd respawn EM, and killing that they'd all settle on DC. Fairly simple nuke-kite method (T4>Grav>T4>T4). Same deal for Ephemeral mobs (but killing a VT as a soloist would automatically make it DC next spawn - 2 Eph. kills netted my capped Azure though (as Treants dont give Azure light)).

Headed to Konschtat, did the same. Respawn as DC you'd think, eh, no. Saplings were popping up from EP to DC to EM/T, and they link, which ultimately made the whole experience far more frustrating. Perhaps it doesn't have anything to do with the level you are, but the level the zone was created for... Visions zones are made for 75-80, Scars 80-85, and Heroes will prob be 85-90. If you are higher than the expected cap of that zone, then the mobs will spawn a higher level to match you - the difficulty of the mob will match the ability of the player. Lv85 in my Konschtat - Ha, will spawn you some EM/T's Mr.Taru.

[Khiinroye]

Could someone start the discussion threads for Uleguerand, Altep, and Grauberg? I'd be too lazy to keep the first post up to date.

[Not Kuno]

Wheres the enterance to Grauberg?

[Not Kuno]

merit furtherence and celerity are the buyable ones holy shit

[Not Kuno]

was able to buy right off the bat:

dark depths
zenith
perfect attendance
rescuer
einherjar
illuminator : Vit+Minor, Enhances Dual Wield, (2h weapon) Attack+Major
ace angler

[Renzy]

Perfect Attendance: Refresh: Minor, Regain: Minor, Regen: Minor

Walking around Uleguarand now and haven't seen a single NM or ???

[Lyramion]

merit furtherence and celerity are the buyable ones holy shit

I didnt notice any HP increase - my error or maybe some cap there?

[Thalandor46]

I didnt notice any HP increase - my error or maybe some cap there?

Merit is not retroactive to your current buffs. Did you get cruor buffs before buying your new merit?

[Lyramion]

Yeah, I zoned out n in. Someone else check it please when you buy - prolly just my error

[Sin Harvest]

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[Arthars]

NMs popping incred fast

was solo lvling in Heqet area, kill him for white lights and he been popping every 15 mins for 4 times now

[Atoreis]

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Big bird in altepa