-Ja Spell Potency Testing

[Rocl]

Potency means crit rate for melees. Perhaps it ups the damage a crit would do? Or perhaps your magic crit rate in general.

There is the status effect Potency which increases critical hit rate.
There are the Black Mage T1 Merits: Element Potency, which is a +2 MAB bonus.
The Blue Mage T1 Merits: Physical Potency increases the accuracy of physical blue magic by 2 points.

(I think that's what happens.)

in other words, potency means a lot of things in FFXI, and I don't think elemental magic was ever changed to naturally crit, so it seems unlikely that they'd add a spell to be used in strict conjunction w/ M.Crit gear but yknow

[Ophannus]

At the very least are the -ja spells stronger than -gaIV's? Are they the functional equivalent of -ga5's but with this subsequent casting damage bonus?

[Michelob]

At the very least are the -ja spells stronger than -gaIV's? Are they the functional equivalent of -ga5's but with this subsequent casting damage bonus?

We don't have -gaIV's at our disposal.

[Jimothy]

It looks like your third set got the bonus also, and a thundersday penalty on all 3 at once.

[Radec]

It's 5%, need to find a target with more HP to test if it lasts beyond a second spell. Odds are you didn't recast fast enough, this was done with alacrity.

Ignore stonega (even though 5% lines up), I'm not entirely sure I didn't hit Uggalepih macro automatically for the 2nd one. Waterja: 1949 then 2045

Large so spoilered.

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Edit, Test2, again large. Alacrity > Waterja(1902) > Sleep > Alacrity > Waterja(1995) > Sleep > Waterja(2091)

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Looks like it adds 5% of base every time then, rather than (DMG + LAST*0.05) it's (DMG + BASE*0.05*NUMBER_OF_RECENT_CASTS)

[seiji]

my bet: more MAB but, round 1 and 5 mobs pop with one lvl higher and your mab wasn't caped on ek while it was capped for others

[Spekkio]

mab doesn't cap, you can do more damage to a lvl 0 bee with more mab. int caps.

[Byrthnoth]

So, are these spell's SE's answer to their own 15x BLMs + -aga manaburn nerf?

[Kirschy]

Based on Radec's testing it seems there's a -ja potency term calculated before MAB, and each successive cast causes it to go up by .05. With a bit more testing should be fairly easy to see where it sits in the calculation~

[Classikmage]

Doing a a few more kills now, and I'm almost fairly certain it's a timed thing.(I think someone mentioned that as a possibility in this thread) You need to get the next -ja spell off within a certain amount of time after the last one.

I'm think about 30 seconds, approximately.

Just did a few more tests with Waterja, was Windsday.



Waterja1:

Soldier - 1207
Soldier - 1207
Worker - 1209
Worker - 1209
Worker - 1209
Worker - 1209


Waterja2:

Soldier - 1267
Soldier - 1267
Worker - 1268
Worker - 1268
Worker - 1268
Worker - 1268

Fairly certain that was unresisted since all the numbers are exactly the same on all the corresponding mobs. Do these numbers correspond to the .05 that your talking about?

EDIT:

Gonna post a set of 3 also to help w/ number crunching.

Waterja1:

Soldier - 1499
Worker - 1510
Worker - 1510


Waterja2:

Soldier - 1575
Worker - 1587
Worker - 1587

[Classikmage]

Waterja1:

Soldier - 589
Soldier - 1186
Worker - 1188
Worker - 1188
Worker - 1188
Worker - 1188

Waterja2:

Soldier - 1239
Soldier - 1244
Worker - 1249
Worker - 1249
Worker - 1249
Worker - 1249

To explain the discrepancy between this set, and the 1st set of 6, my Cream Puff wore off w/o me realizing. and I nuked this set with no food.

[Kirschy]

You'd need to tell us how much MAB you were using, and if you had any staff bonus too~

[Classikmage]

You'd need to tell us how much MAB you were using, and if you had any staff bonus too~

Same gear as in the opening post. Just this time it was Windsday, not Thundersday.

+39 MAB(including Sorc Ring & Morg Set bonus), Neptune's Staff., & 89+56 INT( -7 for the 3rd set. <_<)

[Radec]

AF3+1 legs don't appear to enhance potency, I'd guess either MAcc or longer time between spells. Will pin it down daytime someday.

Neptune|Bugard+1|--|Phantom
Hecate's|Orochi*|Novio|Moldy
Morri|Morri|Galdr|Snow
Goetia|Sorcerer|Goetia+1|Goetia+1
90+5Merits Int, BLM85/SCH42

*Put all other necks away to prevent losing a trial to ugga again by mistake.

1903 > 1999 > 2093

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