Random Complaint Thread. No white knighting allowed.

[The Q]

If you don't get 3-8k SP per leve, you're doing it wrong. And it's pretty much impossible to complete a Behest getting less than 5, usually closer to 10.

Prove it. If I'm doing it wrong then tell how to do it right. Tell me how to get 35 THOUSAND SP in 8 leves and one behest solo at R29.

You made that statement. Burden of proof is on you.

Also, at your math a person should be able to get up to 74k SP in a single leve cycle + a single behest, solo. Using middle of those ranges that number is 51k per cycle + a single behest, solo.

Are you seriously going to say that a person can get over half way from 49-50 in a single leve cycle? Are you going to really say that playing two days a week just doing leve cycles and a behest each day that a person can make that amount of progress as to complete the highest SP requirement rank? Solo, at our leisure?

[Grey Jorildyn]

Not all leves are made the same. Adamantine Wills can net a lot (personal best is 18k, but the leve glitches too). Also Inferno, Lightsome Verdure, and Levinshower, can all also net 7-15k depending on how (un)lucky you get on page drops. But that's pretty much it in the 30s range. That is also assuming 3+ leve-links and of course 5star difficulty in a 5-6 man party of close levels.

Also I've done Behests at the 30s nodes that end up rewarding only 1-2k SP. So no, Behest is not always worth it. In fact it generally isn't unless there are similarly ideal conditions present like in the leves above. Most of the time in my leve static, which is 5-7 people, the Behests aren't worth our time. We are all in mid-30s now though so the next tier ones might be worth it when we transition to rank40 leves. Right now, we never get more than 3k per even if it's a packed Behest.

[Celeras]

Prove it. If I'm doing it wrong then tell how to do it right. Tell me how to get 35 THOUSAND SP in 8 leves and one behest solo at R29.

You made that statement. Burden of proof is on you.

Also, at your math a person should be able to get up to 74k SP in a single leve cycle + a single behest, solo. Using middle of those ranges that number is 51k per cycle + a single behest, solo.

Are you seriously going to say that a person can get over half way from 49-50 in a single leve cycle? Are you going to really say that playing two days a week just doing leve cycles and a behest each day that a person can make that amount of progress as to complete the highest SP requirement rank? Solo, at our leisure?

I really don't know how to explain to you 'kill shit in leves'.. how you could possibly get any less than 3k/leve is beyond me. 250SP/Mob for a leve is a generous lowball on my part. Most leves have at least 10 mobs, with the best ones ending around 20-25+ kills. Random shot from the SP thread, that's been there for weeks:

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http://i53.tinypic.com/t7c31i.jpg

And thats a non-necrologos in the R20 tier done by a R35, leves like Levinshower/Verdure will give you twice/triple as many kills and bigger numbers. Feel free to do the math. This is without even factoring in leve links, which can easily get you into the 400+/mob range without favor. It's not brain surgery, and if you can't figure it out you deserve the endless waves of 'doing it wrong' you have coming to you. Go read the fucking SP thread.

[Grey Jorildyn]

Looks like a horizon leve. Any idea which one though? Maybe bones or footpads on 5star judging from the amount of kills?

[Celeras]

It's Devilet Inside, was just using it as an example because I remembered the shot from the SP thread: http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/100...t=#post4288050

[Grey Jorildyn]

Hmm i will try that on 5star with favor tomorrow and see if I can reproduce results at r36.

[Cjskater]

leves like Levinshower/Verdure will give you twice/triple as many kills and bigger numbers. Feel free to do the math. This is without even factoring in leve links, which can easily get you into the 400+/mob range without favor. It's not brain surgery, and if you can't figure it out you deserve the endless waves of 'doing it wrong' you have coming to you. Go read the fucking SP thread.

Linked-duo Verdure with aspect only gives 250SP per on 3 stars. 4 stars was a pain in the ass for 300sp. You get about 24 kills per Verdure, that's only 6,000SP. Behest: with 15 people, giving you party bonus, you will get about 90SP per kill. If you use a number like say, 60, for number of mobs... thats only 5400SP. It's pretty easy to get less than 5,000 for a Behest.

Keep in mind he said solo as well. There's no way you're getting that type of SP solo outside some utopian logic. edit: talking about your "lowballing" numbers, not the 35,000 per reset.

[Sephiroth]

I think some people are exaggerating figures. I can do the Humblehearth leve which has tonnes of mobs (monkeys with cactuars necro) on 5 stars and apart from the cactuars it was only about 250 per mob before surplus taken off. This was at R33. I don't know how much I'd get if I were to link that.

I did Levinshower on 4 stars in a large group yesterday with like 3 links and I was getting around 235 per mob. I consider that good SP, but it's nowhere near the 600 per mob some people talk of to reach 15k on the quest.

[Cureslime]

The grind is abysmal 20+. There's no way to make the grind fun and nothing to grind towards. That is all.

[jPuff]

So since the SP system is amazing and perfect as-is, when S-E changes it again (and you are delusional if you think they won't) will the people that thought it was perfect all quit because S-E ruined it and made it too easy? We can only hope.

[The Q]

I really don't know how to explain to you 'kill shit in leves'.. how you could possibly get any less than 3k/leve is beyond me. 250SP/Mob for a leve is a generous lowball on my part. Most leves have at least 10 mobs, with the best ones ending around 20-25+ kills. Random shot from the SP thread, that's been there for weeks:

Spoiler: show

http://i53.tinypic.com/t7c31i.jpg

And thats a non-necrologos in the R20 tier done by a R35, leves like Levinshower/Verdure will give you twice/triple as many kills and bigger numbers. Feel free to do the math. This is without even factoring in leve links, which can easily get you into the 400+/mob range without favor. It's not brain surgery, and if you can't figure it out you deserve the endless waves of 'doing it wrong' you have coming to you. Go read the fucking SP thread.

Oh so now it is up to me to prove your numbers right? You said a person can get 35k in a single loop SOLO at rank 29. Doing rank 10 or 20 leves at that level, as your example is someone doing leves two tiers below what is available to them, isn't going to pull that kind of numbers. And don't even mention linking because once again you said that can be done solo in a single loop. Don't write checks with your mouth that your ass can't cash. If you can't back what you say shut the fuck up.

[Sephiroth]

It's fucking retarded putting high level diremites on the same spawns as doblyns, which then pop on you and kill you before you can get away.

I also just encountered claim bug. Some PUG and I both went for the same mob, he got some hits on it and then I'm fighting the thing.

[Biggie]

Ignore his sp talk, I'm still waiting for screen shots of r40 leves he claims to get 500-600sp per kill.

[CrstyCptSteveWitherspoon]

Yea... I'm curious about this SP you talk of. I'm 21 thaum now(kinda bored of lancer, mages look to have more potential), and there's a lack of people on melmond that are my rank/want to party up. When we do get some people together we try to 3-5 star 30's and just get owned if we actually try 4-5 star. Are you saying solo rank 20s would be better SP than attempting rank 30s? I usually try to just skip past 20s quickly since they seem to have some shitty mob#s/leve ratio.

[Aristio]

I really don't know how to explain to you 'kill shit in leves'.. how you could possibly get any less than 3k/leve is beyond me. 250SP/Mob for a leve is a generous lowball on my part. Most leves have at least 10 mobs, with the best ones ending around 20-25+ kills. Random shot from the SP thread, that's been there for weeks:

Spoiler: show

http://i53.tinypic.com/t7c31i.jpg

And thats a non-necrologos in the R20 tier done by a R35, leves like Levinshower/Verdure will give you twice/triple as many kills and bigger numbers. Feel free to do the math. This is without even factoring in leve links, which can easily get you into the 400+/mob range without favor. It's not brain surgery, and if you can't figure it out you deserve the endless waves of 'doing it wrong' you have coming to you. Go read the fucking SP thread.

My complaint still stands from the last page. DoL get the short end of the stick. Only 6 leves at a maximum of 15000 SP over the course of a two hour walk, is plainly bullshit.

[Lucavi]

As hard of a time I had (when I played -- took another long break) trying to rank up on conj, I'd love to see these magical massive numbers myself.

[Arximiro]

I love when people do this, then forget to mention what each of those numbers actually equates too. 35,000 in XIV is a single loop of leves and maybe a behest, all of which you can do at your leisure/solo if you prefer. Whereas that 5,700 in XI was likely several hours LFG, followed by 1-2 hours in a party hoping it doesn't disband.

This grind is nothing compared to the first few years of XI, and anybody saying different is smoking the nostalgia pipe.

Grinding was a lot more fun in the early days of FFXI. We got to fight hard mobs and learn battle strategy, skillchains, aggo pattens, etc. FFXIV on the otherhand they started off with the ugh zerg model FFXI went to so now when we get to endgame it's going to be full of a bunch of piece of shit tanks and healers. Kind of like how FFXI became after Campaign and level sync was introduced and the herp deps figured out how to use it.

On another note, has anyone encountered a mob in FFXIV that links? I haven't seen anything but aggro thus far.

Edit: Oh hey I just noticed you used my screen as a reference, thanks. That is actually one of the best leves I've found for solo, I don't get quite as much off of mobs on things like Levinshower solo, and the shitty part of those is that sometimes you get your drops really fast. The real secret is just find people to duo and trio link with. Sadly all of my friends have pussed out and quit for now *looking at you Lucavi and Kuro* so I'm fucking stuck soloing.

[Lucavi]

So since the SP system is amazing and perfect as-is, when S-E changes it again (and you are delusional if you think they won't) will the people that thought it was perfect all quit because S-E ruined it and made it too easy? We can only hope.

You're going to see just as much QQing about the game being EZ mode as you did when SE dropped the death penalties and the XP requirements in XI; perhaps moreso this time around because ONLY the hardcore are playing XIV right now, let alone leveling past 30 in a DoW class.

[jPuff]

I don't even get what people are so attached to-- so afraid of losing. Having the most ranks I guess? The game doesn't even have a shape yet. It is still just characters running around in test mode. I play it plenty, but I do it as something to do and to be ready for when it's actually good (and I like my friends). I have to laugh at people that think this is what the game will be like a year or even 6 months from now in terms of threadbare DoW grinding. It is pathetic to see people clinging to their r50 Gladiators like they really accomplished something lasting in the first 3 months of the game. Grats on being king of the shortbus, I guess.

To be honest I don't even see FFXIV as hardcore. There has to be some substance to something for it to have a hardcore community. Right now it's just people with more time and people with less time. There is no way to tell if people are even good at the game yet.

[Cooleko]

On another note, has anyone encountered a mob in FFXIV that links? I haven't seen anything but aggro thus far.

I get alot of links during levequests (and not party link). My latest link was with the cockroach/flea mob.... Not really sure what their names are. But no matter how I tried the pull it brought both groups instead of one. [certainly was not agro because i pulled with a throw and they would have agroed me long before the throw if i was close enough for agro] I think gnats link as well but I am not as 100% sure about them since they have insane agro ranges and seem to agro sight + abilities.