Random Complaint Thread. No white knighting allowed.

[Achitophel]

I don't even get what people are so attached to-- so afraid of losing. Having the most ranks I guess? The game doesn't even have a shape yet. It is still just characters running around in test mode. I play it plenty, but I do it as something to do and to be ready for when it's actually good (and I like my friends). I have to laugh at people that think this is what the game will be like a year or even 6 months from now in terms of threadbare DoW grinding. It is pathetic to see people clinging to their r50 Gladiators like they really accomplished something lasting in the first 3 months of the game. Grats on being king of the shortbus, I guess.

To be honest I don't even see FFXIV as hardcore. There has to be some substance to something for it to have a hardcore community. Right now it's just people with more time and people with less time. There is no way to tell if people are even good at the game yet.

This.

[Arximiro]

I don't play MMOs to have something to do, I play them for progress. For me progress = fun. If that was to be stripped away at this point after all the bullshit I've dealt with from this game I would probably call it a day. I doubt they are going to do a character reset so why is this even a topic of conversation?

It's nice to be able to sell your hard earned shit at the end of a MMO career also btw. I'm still banking that they take away the lucrative rewards from leves and make money harder to obtain so those of us who put up with playing this shit have some reward to show for it other than stories of the "olden days"

Inb4kingofthemountaincomplex herpderp

[jPuff]

I doubt they are going to do a character reset so why is this even a topic of conversation?

Huh? We're talking about the abysmal SP system and that the game lacks any sort of substance. You're the only one talking about character resets. If you're saying that the game should not be improved because it sucked when you ground through it then that is ridiculous logic. Just end your misery and quit now.

[miokomioko]

There's a relatively low level cap in the game for this very reason.

[Arximiro]

I want the game to improve very much, I just don't want it to be so different they have to reset all of out characters and start it over. For example completely re-doing how jobs and levels work. If you aren't talking about character resets wtf is this?

"I don't even get what people are so attached to-- so afraid of losing. Having the most ranks I guess?"

There would be no loss just the usual butthurtedness of having something you worked hard for made easier. Any of us who played FFXI or pretty much any MMO are used to that already. So I really hope that isn't what you are arguing. Most of us that play now, at least I'd imagine are just trying to get ranks now so they don't have to deal with getting them later. It's also a good time to stockpile gil before the inevitable RMT measures (Assuming the game ever takes off).

[Celeras]

Oh so now it is up to me to prove your numbers right? You said a person can get 35k in a single loop SOLO at rank 29. Doing rank 10 or 20 leves at that level, as your example is someone doing leves two tiers below what is available to them, isn't going to pull that kind of numbers. And don't even mention linking because once again you said that can be done solo in a single loop. Don't write checks with your mouth that your ass can't cash. If you can't back what you say shut the fuck up.

Lol, thought I backed it up pretty well actually. I showed you somebodies elses screenshot depicting a solo leve giving 3500SP(which, again, is mediocre), multiply by 8 and add 5000 for Behest = 33000.

Multiple people in the thread have told you they've gotten upwards of 15,000 from a single leve. It's not so much lack of evidence, but you being a fucking dolt. Continue to struggle or stop playing, it's no hair off my ass.

[Hellfury]

Beating a dead horse, but:
Enough with the !"#!¤"%"#¤ wards going down. I think it is the 3rd time I put my retainer back on Saronia - Ul'dah - Tradescraft Row in like 24 hours

[CrstyCptSteveWitherspoon]

I guess I just need people my rank to link leves with to actually get good sp. Did solo today before reset, took some 20's and 30s. I think I got more sp per mob on my 21 thaum doing 3 star 20's than doing 1 star 30's. On the 30's I don't think I ever got over 200 sp per mob. Did a quick 30 behest with another guy (I duno what his level was, behest was hella easy though in cassio) and again didn't get over 200 sp per mob. I guess a balanced party of 4-6 all within 3 ranks of each other could attempt 5 stars but with the low population I can't make that happen. Doing 8 leves on my 21 thaum(who just turned 21) I did not hit 22(I think I'm 2-3k away, and I also abandoned my devilet one after killing all but the devilets since the sp/time sucks having to die/walk back each devilet I kill). Just kinda bummed I spend way more time on my crafting classes than my Dow/Dom classes due to shitty sp.

Edit: Also I'm just grinding crafts up. Like someone else said they'll probably remove all these large amount of gil leves and what not down the road some so the more gil you can make now, the better off you'll be. I'm sure this game will turn into XI's leveling system where you'll loose money ranking crafts up instead of making it like now. By the end of tomorrow I'll have all crafts 20+(aside from culinary) and I'll probably just focus on getting my leathercraft(29 atm) to 40+. The shitty sp for combat classes outside of leves just makes me do leves and hop back on crafting. It's just not worth it until they change something. At least with crafting you can gain decent sp/hour and make money doing it. For me, it's worth my time more so than combat classes, which will balanced and changed(lol ancient magic for conj as an example) as well as the sp gain soon making them a lot more fun to level up (hopefully).

[The Q]

Lol, thought I backed it up pretty well actually.

You're the only one.

Also being overly aggressive and insulting people when they point out your fallacies is the best way to make a point and win and argument. So keep on e-thuggin.

[Arximiro]

Here is another screen of the Devilet Inside done at R38 on 5 Stars with Favor, still good exp.

Spoiler: show

http://i54.tinypic.com/1219x5j.jpg

[Celeras]

You're the only one.

Also being overly aggressive and insulting people when they point out your fallacies is the best way to make a point and win and argument. So keep on e-thuggin.

Youre right, screenshot evidence showing the exact numbers I quoted is terrible proof. Gtfo.

I usually don't bother much with that Leve Arx. I guess it's one of the better 20 tier choices, but once you have the higher tiers unlocked you should be able to get 8 others that are better. Levinshower, Lightsome Verdure, Ranine Reveries, Inferno are a few of the better Necrologos I remember off the top of my head.

[Arximiro]

Levinshower is a dick, you get the same exp as you do with Adamantine wills but the mobs are a lot more dick to fight. And Lightsome Venture is Gnats which are really annoying to fight as PGL


E: I'm currently doing Levinshower on 4 stars with Favor. 188per sheep, 188 per elemental. Same as Adamantine Wills and only good if you don't get the drops in quick succession.

[Achitophel]

I want the game to improve very much, I just don't want it to be so different they have to reset all of out characters and start it over. For example completely re-doing how jobs and levels work. If you aren't talking about character resets wtf is this?

"I don't even get what people are so attached to-- so afraid of losing. Having the most ranks I guess?"

There would be no loss just the usual butthurtedness of having something you worked hard for made easier. Any of us who played FFXI or pretty much any MMO are used to that already. So I really hope that isn't what you are arguing. Most of us that play now, at least I'd imagine are just trying to get ranks now so they don't have to deal with getting them later. It's also a good time to stockpile gil before the inevitable RMT measures (Assuming the game ever takes off).

He's talking about the SP system. Right now, the game is basically on pause, but you can still progress in it. But it's not like this is the way the game will be down the road at all. That's all he's saying, if I read him correctly. He's saying that if/when they tweak the SP system and/or add shit at lower levels for people to do, the guys that are already at 50 should not bitch like they were screwed over and 'lost' the chance to experience those things for the first time or 'lost' all that extra SP they would've had if they had just waited and then spent the same amount of time in progressing their character.

We're basically playing a PS3 beta at this point, one in which are characters won't be wiped. The total change of leadership in the game only reaffirms that belief. What we're doing right now is playing a barebones FFXIV- as compared to how it will be a year from now- for free, but without all the entertainment value that will surely come. If this was some unknown game company with an unknown title, I wouldn't be so sure it would last that long and progress that far. But it's not, so I am.

[Aristio]

Multiple people in the thread have told you they've gotten upwards of 15,000 from a single leve.

Wut...?

I think I said, you can only get a maximum of 15,000 FROM YOUR ENTIRE LEVE LOOP as a Disciple of Land class. This is due to how many times we can mine/log/fish at leve nodes, compared to how many mobs you can spawn in a leve as a DoW/M. This is also due to the fact that we have only 6 leves at our targeted rank at any given time. I still stand by my notion that SP gain should be tripled, SP needed to rank up should mirror FFXI, or mobs should give SP relative to the actual level of the mob and have SP scale up as you rank up.

You can whine and bitch about how you think SP should be X amount, but the Fatigue system is in place for a reason. If SE lowered SP needed to rank up, they could still limit how many ranks you get per week, it's just that they allow you to hit that thresh hold a lot sooner.

[Telliani]

Ugh.

Level 28 alchemist.
In Uldah.

out of the 7 leves up in this rotation, 2 of them are level 15.
The other 5 were level 1.
Why can't they break up the local leves like they do with the battle? so when I want to get 200 points on level 1s to grab a few extra alumen or canvas fents, I can. Otherwise wtf? Last rotation it was like that too. Did like 3-4 level 15s, moved to limsa, was able to get ONE level 20.

[Celeras]

Wut...?

I think I said, you can only get a maximum of 15,000 FROM YOUR ENTIRE LEVE LOOP as a Disciple of Land class. This is due to how many times we can mine/log/fish at leve nodes, compared to how many mobs you can spawn in a leve as a DoW/M. This is also due to the fact that we have only 6 leves at our targeted rank at any given time. I still stand by my notion that SP gain should be tripled, SP needed to rank up should mirror FFXI, or mobs should give SP relative to the actual level of the mob and have SP scale up as you rank up.

You can whine and bitch about how you think SP should be X amount, but the Fatigue system is in place for a reason. If SE lowered SP needed to rank up, they could still limit how many ranks you get per week, it's just that they allow you to hit that thresh hold a lot sooner.

Wasn't addressing or quoting you. I dont know anything about/didn't comment on/don't give a fuck about Disciples of Land.

Levinshower is a dick, you get the same exp as you do with Adamantine wills but the mobs are a lot more dick to fight. And Lightsome Venture is Gnats which are really annoying to fight as PGL


E: I'm currently doing Levinshower on 4 stars with Favor. 188per sheep, 188 per elemental. Same as Adamantine Wills and only good if you don't get the drops in quick succession.

Do you ever actually get the drops in quick succession? I'm lucky if I finish these half the time, especially Lightsome Verdure cos of the running.

[Arximiro]

Yeah I typically always finish those Necro's. They don't give that great of exp, 188 is ok I guess. It adds up to like 5k for the ones that last 30 mins. All leve exp is pretty fucking worthless without linking. Too bad everyone on Saronia is a homo so I never have anyone to link with. -.-

LET"S ALL CRAFT faggots

[Celeras]

If you wanna solo at your rank, try leves like Ranine Reveries and Dunesfolk for Dinner. Should be better than going back to tiers youve outgrown.

[Aristio]

Wasn't addressing or quoting you. I dont know anything about/didn't comment on/don't give a fuck about Disciples of Land.

Well this entire debate was started on you quoting me. It's a lot harder to grind out 35,000 SP on DoL than it is on any combat class. That was the original complaint.

[arlee]

Lol, thought I backed it up pretty well actually. I showed you somebodies elses screenshot depicting a solo leve giving 3500SP(which, again, is mediocre), multiply by 8 and add 5000 for Behest = 33000.

Multiple people in the thread have told you they've gotten upwards of 15,000 from a single leve. It's not so much lack of evidence, but you being a fucking dolt. Continue to struggle or stop playing, it's no hair off my ass.

not every leve is gonna garner those results, so you using that example and multiplying it by 8 is not valid, just the necros give good SP but @ R29 no way you 5 starring it and soling it so thats moot.

As for the 15k in a single leve, yeah thats def possible and even more thank 15k for some but thats leve linking with a party of 3-4 and up, not solo