Random Complaint Thread. No white knighting allowed.

[Yoli]

I haven't read everything in the last few pages. A lot of complaining.

What several people are doing is artificially failing good leves with groups of people they know by abandoning on the last enemy/light to click/whatever. That way everyone in the group can get the leve, so everyone in the group is linking it, and you can spam through the best few ones every leve reset because you're guaranteed to keep them (and the same or greater number of links). If the group has a reasonable level range and amount of people, and doesn't sit on their thumbs for too long waiting to start/port/etc, you can get pretty good skill points. I won't bother taking screen shots, and I'm on the low end of the levels myself having not done much of this, but Celeras is basically right.

That said, it doesn't mean the system is working right or is good. Using leves like this seems like an abuse of the system to get desired results, because the results that happen otherwise are pretty slow (and more importantly imo, dull). I also don't think a system centered around zerging leves and then grinding coblyns that die in two hits for hours the rest of the time is particularly interesting or desirable, regardless of its ability to get you to fifty.

[Sephiroth]

Local leves need big changes. Any leve under 35 is worthless for my goldsmithing now, yet out the last three leve cycles I've seen a combined total of two 35+ leves. There seems to exist only one 45 leve and only three 40s, then you've got the random factor of which variant it gives you. I probably see each 40 variant about once a week, twice if I'm lucky. I'm convinced there isn't even a goldsmithing leve above 25 in Gridania. There simply needs to be more high rank leves.

[Vimes]

Well, at least someone is loving the game to bits...
http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...cicuid=1007227

[Celeras]

Spoiler: show

http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/8...vinshower1.jpg
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Didnt even know the game doesnt let you make the chatbox any bigger than that lol. 2 stars, still pretty good for solo. Probably could have done 3 if I wanted to squeeze every last SP, but killing on 2 was a nice pace and only did this for screenshot purposes. 6200 for those that don't want to do the math. Add in 3 links and that's more than 12k. Enough proof yet?

[Arximiro]

We all know that leve linking is epic, people are saying solo leves suck and want proof of this epic exp. Like 12k solo at 30+.

Pretty good skill nonetheless on that one.

[Gadritan]

So wtf is up with local leves changing rank after accepting them now? Thought I just wasn't paying attention and grab wrong ones before, but I had 2 change from r30 to r1 when I accepted them just now.

It's hard enough to get decent leves with the random hand your dealt, now this shit? blaaahhhhh

[jPuff]

Well, at least someone is loving the game to bits...
http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...cicuid=1007227

Gonna go out on a zany, zany limb and guess that they think the SP system is "totally fine." I'll also go out on another K-RAZY limb and guess that they are a student or otherwise have no job or financial responsibilities to speak of.

[Purrrfect]

So wtf is up with local leves changing rank after accepting them now? Thought I just wasn't paying attention and grab wrong ones before, but I had 2 change from r30 to r1 when I accepted them just now.

It's hard enough to get decent leves with the random hand your dealt, now this shit? blaaahhhhh

I believe relogging corrects this issue. Worth a shot at least.

[Gadritan]

I believe relogging corrects this issue. Worth a shot at least.

Tried it, no dice.

[CrstyCptSteveWitherspoon]

Spoiler: show

http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/8...vinshower1.jpg
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/539/levinshower2.jpg

Didnt even know the game doesnt let you make the chatbox any bigger than that lol. 2 stars, still pretty good for solo. Probably could have done 3 if I wanted to squeeze every last SP, but killing on 2 was a nice pace and only did this for screenshot purposes. 6200 for those that don't want to do the math. Add in 3 links and that's more than 12k. Enough proof yet?

Let me get this straight lol. I've done basically the same leve in cassio (necro) on one star and gotten like 180 sp per kill at 21-22 on my thaum. If I upped it to 2 star would that actually boost the sp to what you're getting? Or is it my lower rank that's affecting me? Or the fact that cassio just gives less?

[Cureslime]

Best way to level is to do behest --> go afk and play in real life for 50 minutes --> behest. People have stopped trying to form multiple parties now which is nice. Any of the non-retarded locations at r20-30 have at least 5 people per hour now who want to do them because they're sick of fighting people over coblyn spawns.

[CrstyCptSteveWitherspoon]

Behests are too random imo. If you get more than a 3 level spread the SP turns to crap. Last night I did a behest with two conjs and myself as thaum(5 level spread). Got to the last two mobs(devilet and wind elemental) which we couldn't kill for 10 mins due to insane aoe/imp tp move. Finally took them down and got 200sp total for them. There's no way to control the level spread since everyone can join if they like. Granted sitting at a camp waiting for behest to pop with no people around and doing it solo might be better. I agree that fighting over coblyns sucks. Did it for an hour last night to get my rank. Can't decide if fighting for spawns or killing the damn chigoes is worse though.

[jPuff]

Is it just me or have crafting leves gotten a lot worse? I don't know if it's just that I'm getting up in levels (not that that would excuse it) or if something in the game has changed. Like I'll go to Ul'Dah and check the Armorer leves and the ranks are like:

1
1
10
5
25


Then I'll go to Limsa:

1
1
5
1
5
35
20
10

Then I'll check the leves for some of my r20 crafts:

1
1
10
5
20

Then my r16 Weaver:

1
1
5
10
20 in lolbluefrog or whatever podunk camp

This is happening every cycle now and it feels like it's getting worse. I used to just go to Ul'Dah and Limsa for 8 good ones; now I end up having to do all three cities for 6-7 remotely passable leves, and this is spread across almost every craft. I don't expect eight r40 leves but really.

[blythe]

Behests are too random imo. If you get more than a 3 level spread the SP turns to crap. Last night I did a behest with two conjs and myself as thaum(5 level spread). Got to the last two mobs(devilet and wind elemental) which we couldn't kill for 10 mins due to insane aoe/imp tp move. Finally took them down and got 200sp total for them. There's no way to control the level spread since everyone can join if they like. Granted sitting at a camp waiting for behest to pop with no people around and doing it solo might be better. I agree that fighting over coblyns sucks. Did it for an hour last night to get my rank. Can't decide if fighting for spawns or killing the damn chigoes is worse though.

Personally I've never done behest with that few people. On my server it's pretty much 15-man zerg fests every hour. There can be a 15 level spread and the SP overall still won't be that bad because there's so many mobs.

Also,

Best way to level is to do behest --> go afk and play in real life for 50 minutes --> behest. People have stopped trying to form multiple parties now which is nice. Any of the non-retarded locations at r20-30 have at least 5 people per hour now who want to do them because they're sick of fighting people over coblyn spawns.

This is basically all I do when I don't have leves up. Coblyn grinding might be slightly better SP per hour but more mind numbing and less productive (IRL).

[jPuff]

Only well-populated servers have 15 people doing behests. Many have 5 on a good day, or zero.

[Celeras]

Behests are too random imo. If you get more than a 3 level spread the SP turns to crap. Last night I did a behest with two conjs and myself as thaum(5 level spread). Got to the last two mobs(devilet and wind elemental) which we couldn't kill for 10 mins due to insane aoe/imp tp move. Finally took them down and got 200sp total for them. There's no way to control the level spread since everyone can join if they like. Granted sitting at a camp waiting for behest to pop with no people around and doing it solo might be better. I agree that fighting over coblyns sucks. Did it for an hour last night to get my rank. Can't decide if fighting for spawns or killing the damn chigoes is worse though.

Spread is irrelevant. All that matters is how many people are within your individual boost range, +5/-10. A single person -11 or +6 would do the same to your SP as someone + or - 30.

And I'm fairly certain every server is booming with behests right now, you just have to know where to go. I don't think i've done one since the patch that wasn't @15. Nanawa is always booming for obvious reasons, whereas Nophica is typically empty. Cedarwood booming, Cassiopeia not so much. Was the same situation pre-patch with people not knowing what to do/where to go. All I heard 24/7 is that nobody PTs and game sucks, but I could stroll into the Island Crab camp in Cassiopeia at any time of day and hop on a party without fail.

[CrstyCptSteveWitherspoon]

Whats the exact boost for +5/-10? And also the +6 or -11 is just no boost at all? I must have not been playing when people came up with exact number for boosted party xp. I just did a behest in cassio with a 26 conj(I'm 23 thaum) and we got 188 sp per mob. Didn't kill the last two efts though because, well, getting 2 shotted was the name of the game or 1 shotted in case of lightining attack. Anyway that's 2.2k sp so it wasn't so bad. Wondering if at 23 it's easier just to do behest at bloodshore instead of cassio. I might just try cedarwood too since that's closer to LL and easier to run and pick up mats when needed.

[Sephiroth]

The best place to find behest groups is in Thanalan. Horizon/Nanawa/Broken Water. Nophica can be busy too after a leve reset. Everywhere else is a case of luck of a leve group coming by that hour, at least on Wutai.

[CrstyCptSteveWitherspoon]

Did a leve with two 32's (myself 23) earlier. Turned out to be 70~ sp a kill down from 188~ a kill with someone within 5 ranks of myself. Me thinks I need to find a smaller rank gap...

[Enygma55]

The party boost atm is more of an anti-party penalty. Not exactly sure how its fully calculated with multiple people outside your range but general idea is if a mob gives 100sp solo, duo with party bonus gives each person 90sp, duo without party bonus grants 60sp for the person out of proper lv range (+5/-10).

I guess in SE's eyes the mob is giving out more sp in total so its working as intended.