Random Complaint Thread. No white knighting allowed.

[Cureslime]

People have no problem setting their bots to craft stuff in the 100-180sp range. The orb does nothing to them. Even if it did, they can hasty hand 9990 wind shards and bazaar them like I've seen people do. Sometimes they don't even bother to hide. They just sit somewhere near the fish vendor all day long. You would have to actively work to make a crafting bot detectable. S-E deserves it for making crafting so incredibly tedious. The game is already a joke. Maybe the new game experience will fix things. They can always add a captcha to every synth...

[Corrderio]

Crafting isn't too bad, although they should shorten the animations for them much like they are going to for DOLs

[Hyan]

Eh, if they need to do something about them bots they will.

[Lucavi]

SE is going to have to change crafting to add in an annoying aspect to combat botters. Make you do something that a bot can't pick up if you do 10 synths in a row or something.

You make things too annoying and you just have more complaints about how unintuitive the system is. There has to be something they can do that isn't what they did with gathering, which is making everything a minigame that's tedious at best and fucking annoying at worst.

Edit: Go figure, now they're trying to make gathering less boring. Lets hope it doesn't result in even more bots.

[jPuff]

It is pretty sad to see how much crap was made server side "to detect bots and cheaters" yet jack shit has happened to them.

This is what pisses me off the most. The entire game is BUILT around being anti-cheat. Anti-cheat measures first, content and gameplay second. FFXIV is more an anti-cheat application with graphics than an actual fucking game.

[Gulkeeva]

You make things too annoying and you just have more complaints about how unintuitive the system is. There has to be something they can do that isn't what they did with gathering, which is making everything a minigame that's tedious at best and fucking annoying at worst.

Edit: Go figure, now they're trying to make gathering less boring. Lets hope it doesn't result in even more bots.

already a bot for that, making it faster to do gathering just means bots get more done


SE did sort of put a counter measure per say for crafting, they made it to where the flashing orb has a insanely high chance to fail , and cause a unstable element. (high enough you can even fail making moko grass thread with the book and Lv 40+ weaver) but not so bad it'll stop bots.. if they made it 100% chance it would stop bots for awhile I'd think.

anyway, there are alot bots, and some are pretty obvious.

I mean.. who the hell sits n crafts alchemy stuff, in a cave far north of horizon past lv 50ish mobs... on top of that has the red gear damage icon still crafting >.>

[Rivian]

They can always add a captcha to every synth...

I lol'd

[Cooleko]

SE did sort of put a counter measure per say for crafting, they made it to where the flashing orb has a insanely high chance to fail , and cause a unstable element. (high enough you can even fail making moko grass thread with the book and Lv 40+ weaver) but not so bad it'll stop bots.. if they made it 100% chance it would stop bots for awhile I'd think.

anyway, there are alot bots, and some are pretty obvious.

I mean.. who the hell sits n crafts alchemy stuff, in a cave far north of horizon past lv 50ish mobs... on top of that has the red gear damage icon still crafting >.>

The orb is in memory though. I craft through red gear but not red instrument. I just cant be bothered to repair the low lvl clothes so often ><; red should not be bot indicator all by itself.

[Yoli]

I craft in red stuff all the time too. Only put the clothes on because I don't feel like doing it naked (and certainly don't want to ruin the durability of my real armor). I figure as long as I'm not trying to HQ, it really doesn't matter. I'm able to complete most every synth I go for. Don't do it in caves .... but I do have a fondness for really random parts of Uldah.

Someone said I was botting xp too, because I was just standing in a canyon by broken water with my weapon drawn and voking doblyns that popped before they could get to them. ... and I even got accused of flee hacking once just b/c of the lancer trait that let me run with my weapon out.

Not to say there aren't bots. There are probably a whole lot. But I think at least some portion of the accusations are baseless as well.

[Sephiroth]

People have mentioned gathering botting. Fishing seems doable but how could you bot mining or botany? You have to keep finding new nodes and even if you programmed in the routes the nodes despawn and change location after a certain amount of time.

Not sure how they could fix craft botting without making crafting annoying for everyone else. I don't think making it easy and quick XI style is the answer.

[Cureslime]

Has it been proven that damaged gear (not tools) makes the crafting/gathering stats decrease? I wasn't aware. I almost always craft in all red crafting gear.

[Gulkeeva]

People have mentioned gathering botting. Fishing seems doable but how could you bot mining or botany? You have to keep finding new nodes and even if you programmed in the routes the nodes despawn and change location after a certain amount of time.

Not sure how they could fix craft botting without making crafting annoying for everyone else. I don't think making it easy and quick XI style is the answer.

Mining bot just has all points plotted out.. and runs around non aggro zones going point to point trying to mine/cut.. if it can't it just stands there for a few seconds and goes to next point and repeats some cycle.

The orb is in memory though. I craft through red gear but not red instrument. I just cant be bothered to repair the low lvl clothes so often ><; red should not be bot indicator all by itself.

from reading another persons post on trying to "read memory" he said it was too hard at the time as it randomized constantly. from what I gather on crafting bot... its not reading memory to craft, but an image overlay, when this image matches with the craft bars image it presses enter using some other program.

Has it been proven that damaged gear (not tools) makes the crafting/gathering stats decrease? I wasn't aware. I almost always craft in all red crafting gear.

as far as I know, the main/off hand tools damage is noticeable, gear itself can be red and doesn't "seem'" to really affect crafting nearly as much as main hand/offhand damage.

[Cooleko]

I dont know how much faith you put in the other person but memory in ffxiv is fairly straight forward.
DoH
-Very easy to find interface using memory
-Very easy to navigate interface
-Abilities have easy to find offsets so you know which is up
-only very craft specific data (orb/element stability) is randomized on each craft which due to the short period before it is changed (and how many different changes there are to track and their reluctance to appear) makes offsets challenging (since it is not used to skilling up who cares!)

DoL
-Very easy to find interface in memory
-Very easy to navigate
-Instantly know what you are gathering based on starting stamina
-Easily deduce where to strike based on gathered data
-you cannot guarantee your strike accuracy because hitting enter does not always yield the value you wanted (last read) due to lag (it is very close though)
--To alleviate this you can write it to memory and the server will accept it but i'm worried about the level of control/observation SE has so it probably wouldnt be in anyone's best interest to try it.
-Running between points is easy to do if you had user preplot 3 available points.

I havent figured out the radar which is the only memory data I am genuinely interested in.
Would be useful for those bright stars on the wrong side of a tree/rock. I tried to get info from apnea on how to do this but they were not interested in helping.
Someone has figured it out (and selling it) but once it is figured out a DoL bot could easly be implemented by running straight to the closest point (aka reading it from memory region) and cycling 3 last known points until 1 disapears before seeking out a new one.

I do not know about a fighting bot but i think it would not be too hard. I havent looked at that meory region since I actually enjoy playing with my friends (aka leves twice a week.... if that)

[Sephiroth]

The changes to stack sizes seem awesome. It will change how we play because right now a lot of materials are better off synthed into nuggets and lumber to get more space but after this patch it will make more sense to keep stuff as ore and logs until you need it. Less NPCing/mats getting dropped due to full inventory means more go up for sale too. It should make gathering easier to manage too.

[mythrillboots]

The changes to stack sizes seem awesome. It will change how we play because right now a lot of materials are better off synthed into nuggets and lumber to get more space but after this patch it will make more sense to keep stuff as ore and logs until you need it. Less NPCing/mats getting dropped due to full inventory means more go up for sale too. It should make gathering easier to manage too.

I concur, as the only thing i am doing in this horrid game atm is fishing, it does suck balls having to trade 40 stacks of fish 4 at a time to my alchemist friend.

Not that it matters, but fish (basically all maats) will probably see a decline in price once they go to 99.
....and i was hoping to make another 30m off of the fish i was vendor trashing before that fish/shard update.

Going back a couple pages; i generally lowball repair prices in my bazzar, usually the vendor price of the material to fix it, ex: 4k for r38 toad leather spetch. Although i usually offer between 10 and 20k for repairs if i leave it on my retainer.

the reason why i will probably stop logging in after i hit r50 fisher

Spoiler: show

I have only run into a small handful of players i actually enjoy conversing with on a normal basis. All the shells i have been in thus far are 90% fanboy casuals that i would have blacklisted and dropped pearl in half a second if i believed that there was somewhere better to go to.

[Cureslime]

That's funny...most of what I see at this point is "RECRUITING FOR ENDGAME!!!! MUST USE VENT AT ALL TIMES TO LISTEN TO OUR FART JOKES AND SEXUAL/RACIAL SLURS AT ALL TIMES EVEN WHEN PLAYING SOLO. MUST ATTEND NMS 5 NIGHTS A WEEK OR DON'T BOTHER (WE R ELITE.) SIGN UP ON OUR WEBSITE TO SCHEDULE AN INTERVIEW TODAY!!!"

[Grey Jorildyn]

Someone got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning.

[Hyan]

"Endgame" LS, Lulz.

[Sephiroth]

I was against using vent at first, but it's cool for events like NMs and makes certain strategies smoother. I don't talk on it but there's no need.

I think SE needs to change anima again. Make the default 4 or something, 6 is just too high. I mean who teleports anywhere that requires 6 anima? I have plenty anima but I still do a lot of running because it's not worth spending 6 on places. Or just give us chocobos that can be picked up at camps.

[Grey Jorildyn]

"Endgame" LS, Lulz.

This game does have "endgame", but man is it fucking sad.

I was against using vent at first, but it's cool for events like NMs and makes certain strategies smoother. I don't talk on it but there's no need.

Glad to see you converted. Helluva lot easier to setup BRs with voice chat.