Random Complaint Thread. No white knighting allowed.

[Enkidu]

You people must be fucking kids. CLEARLY u didn't play vanilla ffxi or even vanilla wow because wait for it........ Suprise! This is how MMOs play when they first release!

My problem really isn't with content, lag, or balance - which is what most MMO's have to work on for a few months. My problem is with the core game.

I don't see it happening. They're trying their damnedest to turn an MMO into a RPG for casuals. If you think the game has a lot of potential as is, that's great more power to you. I just don't and I hope that SE takes drastic steps to make the game a more pleasant experience for all.

I fear that the game will go into a downward spiral when reviews start leaking out. But hey we'll see... SE answered a whole 3 questions on the lodestone today!

Organizing market wards, AWESOME. I love searching bazaars, great news - so much more innovation compared to the bland old AH where I could find anything in minutes.

[Priran]

anyone else got a bug where you just cant generate tp? during battles losing 500tp every second is FUIFOEJWOKJFOWKJFKING annoying, know at least 4 other ppl with this problem too.

Edit: Sent a message to SE's FF14 Bug report thingee, and they said that you're not meant to report bugs to the bug report thingee. the fuck? lol
Please tell me that someone else outside of my group of friends is having this TP loss bug, havent seen it posted anywhere else

are you sure it was a bug? some mobs can give a status effect called (iirc) TP Bleed that drains TP rather quickly

[Katlan]

It's the complaint thread and I made a complaint. Really, your the one white knighting here trying to defend your right to bash the game. The game has flaws sure but not the stuff I'm reading in this thread. Most complaining here can be chalked up to shitty play.

I made my complaint and I think its a valid one.

Allow me to break it down to u. What was acceptable 8 years ago as a mmo launch is not acceptable anymore, the degree of standard over the years as risen. If u fail to see this then u r a fuckin moron and enjoy ur horrible game that like 3 ppl defend on this forum vs the 100+ ppl who see so much fault we don't know where to start. So clearly, everyone else is wrong and u 3 ppl r right. But let's look outside BG and to international forums. Guess what...? It's a hell of a lot more then 100+ ppl who think this game is broken in massive ways that make it borderline unplayable

[SquallTiofae]

Dear Square-Enix:
YOUR COCKSUCKING PRODUCT HAS REDUCED ME TO A GIBBERING MAN-APE WHOSE ONLY RESORT TO DEALING WITH THE ALMIGHTY GRIEF IT'S BESTOWED UPON ME IS TO SCREAM AND HURT MYSELF.

Seriously, I am jumping up and down and throwing my shit in handfuls at the fucking computer in some impotent primal effort to get the thing to work. I have been sitting here trying to enjoy your product - YOUR PRODUCT, YOUR GAME, YOUR CONTRACT BETWEEN DEVELOPER AND CONSUMER THAT THE CONSUMER WILL ENJOY YOUR PRODUCT - but instead the damn thing's been crawling out of the hard drive and taking warm shits in my gaping mouth. Swear to god, you should have just added a little door to the CE through which a hand pops out and flips me off, because I am insulted that your QA or testers or whatever brainless shitstove three genes short of a monkey FAGNUT signs your games through thought that a person with more than a single loving digit IQ could enjoy grinding this much. INSULTED.

WORK WITH ME HERE: The goal's simple enough! Level all the classes! Hey, that's fine, it's just like playing Final Fantasy Tactics; not a problem! Only deal is your cross-eyed team of tongue-slapping wunderkind decided to give the mobs every single fucking advantage possible TO THE MOBS rather than me.

How in the hell does Rubber - which requires Brimstone - end up being a lvl 10 synth? Pyrite requires mining, which requires 15+ GOLDSMITHING OR A RANDOM HQ SYNTH TO TURN INTO BRIMSTONE.

But it's not just Alchemy with the bullshit lvl requirements, it's the entire fucking lineup of crafting skills! THEY'RE ALL FUCKED UP AND REQUIRE INGREDIENTS I CAN'T EVEN MAKE YET.

But but but I of course, am still wearing some bullshit lvl 1 equipment because I can't synth anything higher yet! Add to this the entire landscape just got overrun by new users and you've got a area full of NOTHING that will disconnect you BECAUSE IT CAN. WHOOPIE.

HURRR, you say. THAT'S JUST THE CHALLENGE. IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE EASY. Well fuck that noise, you lopsided frankenfaced fuckfurter.

Tell me, please, why does the GAME have to suck? Huh? What happens when the game is great and I enjoy myself? Is there some huge fucking issue waiting for the code when it gets done? Is there money involved? Or perhaps the motives are more sinister.

Maybe the director's family is being held hostage by another developer and that guy has it's cock in his's wife's mouth and he's holding a cell phone up to her and the director can hear her pained moans and cries for help and the asshat guy then says, "You release that fucking game, or I'll blow her brains out." I COULD UNDERSTAND THAT. I CAN BE SYMPATHETIC.

It's not any fun if I can't HAVE FUN, you faggots. I want to move on. I want to unlock whatever piece of shit class you have hidden away from me so I can start leveling and get pissed off with that too. When your game prevents me from fully enjoying the product I have bought you have failed in your fucking mission to deliver a game. You lose! You break the contract! You contract the gay and fucking DIE DIE DIE.

(Adapted from an old post on Something Awful, I hope you enjoy. This isn't how I actually feel.)

[qpoiuwer]

People paying extra to play games they don't like and not have fun. Awesome.

Anyway, my complaint is how they screwed crafting in the last patch. Also the HP reset bug. Sometimes it is cool because you get extra skill, but sometimes it is annoying because it makes it impossible to kill difficult enemies.

[CasualPlayer]

@Katlan: Next "big" mmo to be released is TERA. When it comes out we'll see how far we've advanced as far as ipo's for mmos is concerned. Until then how the FUCK can u say we've advanced since this is the first new mmorpg to come out since WoW? And before u mention Aion that game is having the SAME fucking problems as ffxiv is now, except its been out almost a year....

When WoW 2 comes out (no not cataclysm) are u goin to jump on its shit when it sucks 1 week into he fucking game? U don't develop or produce mmos (just taking a shot in the dark) so how could u possibly claim to know what's exceptable or not for ones release. Like I said when the next big ones come out if they don't have problems I'll stand corrected. Can even throw that ugly star wars shit bioware is making in there.

tl;dr Katlan shut the fuck up.

@Squall just wow......

@Enkidu: that's kinda the point I was making. Your complaint is the missing AH. Would I like an AH? Sure. But new game plays like new game. Ffxi didn't have an AH when it released and its already been stated multiple times there will be an AH in the future. What are these "core" flaws u are talking about u bitched but weren't specific about anything?

Only real complaint about this game is the lack of an inventory sort.

I mean..... that's been in games since dragon quest on 8bit nintendo.....

[Elcura]

Only real complaint about this game is the lack of an inventory sort.

Oh god what have you done?!

[MrSamuels]

I think if Leves had the same item reward chance there was in beta, people wouldn't complain about the crafting requirements so much. I don't know why the rewards for leves are so unbelievably shit right now. But doing a leve for 6k gil, 200 skill points, really doesn't make the player want to do them. Especially when you get the same one 4 days in a row.

[CasualPlayer]

@Elcura. Well seriously I'm not going to count stupid shit like menu lag and other obvious bullshit that's going to naturally come in any new mmo.

Cry because it takes 5 seconds to switch from active to passive or the can't hit the mob because its already claimed type of bitching going on. If people really think the game is going to remain with those types of flaws for long then theyre retarded. Only complaints are ones that have to do with bad game design and aren't going be obviously fixed in the near future. Bitching about how battle regimens suck just because u don't know how the fuck to pull one off is silly.

Only reason I even threw in the missing sort function was because sorts been in all types of online and offline games since fucking 8bit nintendo. I think I was sorting shit playing ducks ahoy on my commodore 64 even.

[Senji]

fuck leves, id rather sit in a cave and grind.

[Meko]

Maybe it's my perception but it doesn't seem like a lot of people want to group so far in the game. Maybe it's too early to be concerned with that but leve-sharing and leve grinding, in my opinion, seems to be a very efficient way to exp/skill. Not to mention, with leve mobs you are basically promised mobs to kill for those skills and gains. I did some shouting last night around one of the camps but not a single bite. I was already in a group of 3 people but we were hoping to add a few more, up the difficulty and see how we fared.

[Katlan]

@Katlan: Next "big" mmo to be released is TERA. When it comes out we'll see how far we've advanced as far as ipo's for mmos is concerned. Until then how the FUCK can u say we've advanced since this is the first new mmorpg to come out since WoW? And before u mention Aion that game is having the SAME fucking problems as ffxiv is now, except its been out almost a year....

When WoW 2 comes out (no not cataclysm) are u goin to jump on its shit when it sucks 1 week into he fucking game? U don't develop or produce mmos (just taking a shot in the dark) so how could u possibly claim to know what's exceptable or not for ones release. Like I said when the next big ones come out if they don't have problems I'll stand corrected. Can even throw that ugly star wars shit bioware is making in there.

tl;dr Katlan shut the fuck up.

@Squall just wow......

@Enkidu: that's kinda the point I was making. Your complaint is the missing AH. Would I like an AH? Sure. But new game plays like new game. Ffxi didn't have an AH when it released and its already been stated multiple times there will be an AH in the future. What are these "core" flaws u are talking about u bitched but weren't specific about anything?

Only real complaint about this game is the lack of an inventory sort.

I mean..... that's been in games since dragon quest on 8bit nintendo.....

LOL, thanks for the laugh

[Katlan]

Btw - who wants to take a bet that CP (lol) is rly mioko?

[Purrrfect]

Why does everyone use the "this is how mmos are at launch" line to justify a poorly working system? They've obviously been down this road with XI, and seen the many other mmos do the same. Is it really that hard to learn from past mistakes?

My biggest gripes at the moment are the horrible lag when trying to do leves with more than 2 people present, and fucking retainers. I cannot see how anyone thought the delay of putting shit in your retainer's storage was acceptable. Dealing with crafting mats and a retainer is what drives people to kill small animals for no apparent reason. And, not quite as annoying but still, no way to even manually sort your shit. What. The. Fuck. I figured they'd have it in the game, just not ready for beta, but I guess that ball got dropped too. Lots of balls have been dropped actually.

[Lucavi]

@Katlan: Next "big" mmo to be released is TERA. When it comes out we'll see how far we've advanced as far as ipo's for mmos is concerned. Until then how the FUCK can u say we've advanced since this is the first new mmorpg to come out since WoW? And before u mention Aion that game is having the SAME fucking problems as ffxiv is now, except its been out almost a year....

Wait, what? Mortal Online? Darkfall Online? Star Trek Online? Age of Conan? Warhammer Online? Those games didn't come out between WoW and FFXIV?

Well glory be.

[Saroyan]

I think if Leves had the same item reward chance there was in beta, people wouldn't complain about the crafting requirements so much. I don't know why the rewards for leves are so unbelievably shit right now. But doing a leve for 6k gil, 200 skill points, really doesn't make the player want to do them. Especially when you get the same one 4 days in a row.

I actually got lucky last night and got some bronze chainmail for a leve reward. I would agree though, most leve rewards are total shit compared to OB. Add to that the wildly inconsistent difficulty between rank 10 leves makes the whole battle leve system pretty crappy as-is. I actually like the crafting leves though.

[Meko]

Along the same lines of the random leve rewards, last night we were grouped doing some leves and my buddy started his leve and we killed the mobs etc and the teleport crystal spawned. I clicked on it to complete and return and I got 7k gil and a yellow tunic with MP+23 and DEX+2 while he got like 2500 gil and nothing. Also, I've seen system messages that say "you have killed 100 monsters" and then also one last night that said "you are rewarded 2000 points for completing your first regional quest". What does that mean (I know what the 100 monsters message means)?

It would be cool if we had a way to track those messages or see them outside of the chat window. The chat window is such a cluttered mess. Also, remove NPC chatter from that window if it is going to pop up on screen where the action bar is and please allow us to create tabs for other chat filters like linkshell/party/system etc. :/

[Zeille]

Check this out, Something fresh and new for ya'll:

For those who haven't played the class yet, Marauder has a status effect known as Steadfast. This effect kicks in as you stand still for a short time and your "Axe becomes an extension of your body". A few skills use it and it ups your parry rate.

Anyways, if you move, even the slightest inch, the effect disappears. Nothing wrong with that if everything is working correctly. The problem is that it's not.

Randomly when using your basic attacks or skills, your character will move on it's own. Normal axe swings have a swing animation, then a jump back animation. More often than not the jump animation simply fails and your character is now in a new spot, closer to the mob. Goodbye steadfast stance. This is like a whole selling point of the Marauder class too lol.

Mobs can also move your character if they tend to move around a lot and randomly bump into you.

Another thing: Why can't I easily change the price of something in my bazaar? Why must I completely remove the item and re-add it with a new price? FFXI had the option of repricing things in your bazaar. So backwards it hurts

[Alderaan]

My problem really isn't with content, lag, or balance - which is what most MMO's have to work on for a few months. My problem is with the core game.

Couldn't agree more.

I personally thing Vanguard is a much better game than FFXIV with many of the things SE is trying to do but actually done better with more enjoyable game mechanics. The problem of course is, no one is playing that game due to it being released too early and buggy as hell. Now i understand there were many behind the scenes issues with that game that kept it from living up to it's ridiculously awesome potential, but there shouldn't have been any with SE.

Vanguard probably wouldn't have been a huge hit due to it being a huge open world with over 50 dungeons and zero instances, but at it's core it's still a better game than FFXIV. I just see so many similarities with both releases and see mistakes SE is making that shouldn't have been made had the devs not been locked up in a room for 4 years oblivious to what's happened the last 5 years.

[CasualPlayer]

@lucavi: notice I said "big" the games u mentioned definitely don't fall in that realm other than warhammer and guess what. It had problems when it released. The other games I have no idea I've never even heard of some of them. But did u play them on release? Can u tell me they all came out with no lag or bugs or flaws?

@purrrfect your problem is lag, which will be going away in time. Your other problem is retainers and missing AH. The two are one and the same when there is an AH retainers won't mean nearly as much and an AH is coming. Show me an "big" mmo that released with no lag......

@Alderan: you just prove my point. U talk about vanguard and how great it is and how much better it is then ffxiv currently. Then u segway into the fact that it too released buggy as fuck and that that's the reason no one plays he fucking game today...... Pot meet kettle?


Big mmos are going to have fuckin lag until they fix their server stability issues. Imagine having thousands of new neighbours running into your new house everyday for weeks u tellin me that's not gonna make your shit lag? Don't be a retard.

Also check out the advanced thread looks like SE is starting to fix some shit already hmmmmmmmm.