Random Complaint Thread. No white knighting allowed.

[Hyan]

Having to design half the amount of quests also increase the time you can spend to add an unique touch to certain quests.

Half the amount compared to what? Vanilla quests or quests up to the current expansion?

A cactuar that has an unavoidable one shot moves is retarded, two star leves that one shot you when the 1 star is a joke is retarded. A class that can one shot enemy from far away when another can barely scratch it is retarded....but none of this is difficult.

Those are simple balance issues found in any game and do not make up for the majority of the game's content. Fuck, it's like saying the environment in XI was retarded just because you got stuck in Ordelle's stairs.

At the end of the day 95% of the game's content is too easy, not too hard. Few unbalancing issues do not make it from "acceptable" to "completely retarded", the fact that shit is easy like in any other mmo does.

Difficulty while leveling in FFXIV is broken (mixture of braindead content + horrible balance + gameplay far more simple than your average mmo)

Sounds like quite the opposite. Gameplay is in line with the content that is currently offered- it doesn't need to be any more complex at this point. 'Balance issues' do not affect that vast majority of the games content and are easily taken care of.

it's just unlikely...

..The odds...

..So no, you won't see challenging contents.

Yes, you are full of shit, no need to repeat it time after time. We know what your opinion is, so shut the fuck up already.

[Kaylia]

Yes, you are full of shit, no need to repeat it time after time. Shut the fuck up already

Actually Hyan, you shut up instead. Come back in a year and see who is right again.

Those are simple balance issues found in any game and do not make up for the majority of the game's content. Fuck, it's like saying the environment in XI was retarded just because you got stuck in Ordelle's stairs.

Then they went ahead and reused the layout in Leujeuam sanctum. Smart move.

If these 3 things were the only issues with the games...yeah, but we could spend the whole day listing what's wrong with it.

[Kaylia]

double

[Hyan]

Actually Hyan, you shut up instead. Come back in a year and see who is right again.

Yes, I am the one telling you what's gonna happen as if it were a fact with arguments such as "the odds" and "it's unlikely". But yes, you are so the alpha male of this forum if you get the weather forecast right twice. I've never said it's not possible. I'm saying you are stretching your opinion into some fact when you have no basis to do so.

Then they went ahead and reused the layout in Leujeuam sanctum.

And see, how much fucking difference did that make? Nobody cared, and if they did, I'd say that's a good thing for SE that pointless shit like that is put on a pedestal, meaning those people have nothing better or more important to bitch about.

If these 3 things were the only issues with the games

Yes, if only. We're not discussing the whole game here however, so whatever.

[Kaylia]

Yes, I am the one telling you what's gonna happen as if it were a fact with arguments such as "the odds" and "it's unlikely". But yes, you are so the alpha male of this forum if you get the weather forecast right twice. I've never said it's not possible. I'm saying you are stretching your opinion into some fact when you have no basis to do so.

Alright, keep believing in magic, I will stick with my more realistic expectation of what SE can do and will do.

Yes, if only. We're not discussing the whole game here however, so whatever.

I'm glad you raise the point because I was also curious to hear what else is there to do in FFXIV outside leveling.

And see, how much fucking difference did that make? Nobody cared, and if they did, I'd say that's a good thing for SE that pointless shit like that is put on a pedestal, meaning those people have nothing better or more important to bitch about.

Oh come on, it's not like SquareEnix (Tanaka) ever listened to its playerbase.

[Hyan]

Alright, keep believing in magic, I will stick with my more realistic expectation of what SE can do and will do.

Unlike you, I don't rule out the less realistic expectations. That's the difference between us.

I'm glad you raise the point because I was also curious to hear what else is there to do in FFXIV outside leveling.

Nothing, which is the point- the gameplay is fine for what is available. If there was some huge amount of endgame and 'hard bosses' sure, the gameplay wouldn't be good enough to make them challenging which they should be. That's not the case, though, but you can always retort to bitching about that(lack of sidecontent) when your argument fails otherwise. It also makes you completely original and the argument would take turn into something so interesting and novel that we might as well complain about them releasing the game too early. Better troll all the way now that you've started.

Oh come on, it's not like SquareEnix (Tanaka) ever listened to its playerbase.

And your proof of this? They never answered back (outside update notes and vanafests), that is true. That's not a requirement for listening, however.

Granted, they didn't listen when it came to the biggest complaint: Not spending more money on the game than what is necessary.

[Aratharn]

You can easily fill two bars with skills now anyway, you'd still be limited if there were no caps.

It seems someone left their bot running on my server next to the Ul'dah repair guy. The dude has been bouncing up and down about 5 times per second all night. I'm guessing the bot thinks there's an obstacle and is trying to climb over it but since the character isn't moving it just keeps on jumping up and down. I'd bet this is how people run through walls (often see at doblyn camps), it just climbs right over them.

I wonder when SE is going to start focusing on customer service, it's going to become the main complaint once they fix what we've spent the past few months bitching about in this thread. Especially when we start paying for this shit. You'd think a GM would appear and jail the character at the least because you don't get any more blatant than that. I've not bothered reporting it because last time I reported a bot I got an automated response.

Yeah it does seem to be getting out of control. I'm sure the large majority of the botters just don't care one way or another given the current state of the game.

What I want to know if SE will retroactively ban any of these characters. Be kind of funny if after a few months and the game actually becomes the game it's suppose to be and a ton of these people get banned.

[solracht]

What I want to know if SE will retroactively ban any of these characters. Be kind of funny if after a few months and the game actually becomes the game it's suppose to be and a ton of these people get banned.

If they add in all those that have been glitching the necrologos leves too, SE might not even have to worry about rank 50 content for a while.

[Hyan]

I wonder when SE is going to start focusing on customer service, it's going to become the main complaint once they fix what we've spent the past few months bitching about in this thread.

I'll take my hat off for Yoshida-P if that ever becomes the case.

[Kaylia]

Unlike you, I don't rule out the less realistic expectations. That's the difference between us.

Yes, unlike me, you don't rules out the less realistics expection, you simply bet all your money on them.

And your proof of this? They never answered back (outside update notes and vanafests), that is true. That's not a requirement for listening, however.

Granted, they didn't listen when it came to the biggest complaint: Not spending more money on the game than what is necessary.

No, I don't have any proof they didn't listen. Maybe they did, but decided that AV and the chocobo coliseum were awesome and we were the one doing it wrong. That's another possibility

[Hyan]

Yes, unlike me, you don't rules out the less realistics expection, you simply bet all your money on them.

Not really. I'm just pointing out that you rule them out. All we know is that A) it's very unlikely considering how much work it takes, and that B) Yoshida will do something about the combat, but we don't know what. I think it is likely that he will do more than just improve targeting if he bothers to give us a poll about it, but it is also likely that he won't do anything too drastic.

No, I don't have any proof they didn't listen. Maybe they did, but decided that AV and the chocobo coliseum were awesome and we were the one doing it wrong.

Or they 'had faith that we are good enough to figure it out by ourselves'. Oh the joy of different perspectives. Of course, its still one mob in the whole game, so that's how stubborn they were. They won't give up on one monster = they nevar listnd or caerd. Coliseum like instancing dynamis is more about the cash sadly, not them being stubborn.

I'd say the whole latter part of the game's lifespan can be summed up in one mantra: too little, too late. Meaning they listened, but weren't willing to do(throw cash at the game) more than they felt was necessary (keep people from leaving). This is what they all do, in all honesty. Some games need/can afford more effort than the others though.

[Kaylia]

Not really. I'm just pointing out that you rule them out. All we know is that A) it's very unlikely considering how much work it takes, and that B) Yoshida will do something about the combat, but we don't know what. I think it is likely that he will do more than just improve targeting if he bothers to give us a poll about it, but it is also likely that he won't do anything too drastic.

a) If you agree with my statement that it is very unlikely, then you shouldn't be arguing that they will do it. Who the fuck care about small odd....


b) Again, wtf are you talking about? Targeting system is the most broken aspect of the battle system. It's completely counter intuitive, sloppy and unresponsive. Other mechanics need a lot of tweaking like everything else, but I don't think it's the stamina bar or battle pace that make people rage right now.

Or they 'had faith that we are good enough to figure it out by ourselves'. Oh the joy of different perspectives.

Tanaka also had faith that we would enjoy his wonderful retainer system. He has been wrong so many times I'm not sure why you still take his defense.

The guy is just like you, an idiot with a very specific vision that is bound to fail. You could argue with him all day, he aint going to change his opinion, and he isn't going to try to see thing from different perspective.

[Hyan]

b) Again, wtf are you talking about? Targeting system is the most broken aspect of the battle system. It's completely counter intuitive, sloppy and unresponsive. Other mechanics need a lot of tweaking like everything else, but I don't think it's the stamina bar or battle pace that make people rage right now.

Yes that will get changed but it may not be the only thing that gets changed. Things that are unlikely to be changed may be changed. You kept talking about him "changing target and UI and that's it". I think that's not too unlikely to be false, considering he's making a poll about it. Would be kind of useless if he's not willing to change anything.

Who the fuck care about small odd....

Lol, not you it seems.

Tanaka also had faith that we would enjoy his wonderful retainer system.

Completely and utterly different cases altogether.

The guy is just like you, an idiot with a very specific vision that is bound to fail.

I hope it fails like FFXI 'failed', then.

You could argue with him all day, he aint going to change his opinion, and he isn't going to try to see thing from different perspective.

...Oh, him, not you.

[Grey Jorildyn]

I always felt that disallowing invites to party when engaged was also a way to prevent holding parties. Just my two cents on that.

[Aratharn]

These forums would be completely dead if it weren't for the 4-5 guys that argue with each other every single day..

Anyways, beating a dead horse: SE really needs to hurry up with at least an announcement of what's coming. Less and less people logging in as each day passes with nothing new but worthless updates on things 95% of their player base already knows about.

It's been said before, but if they could at least give us something like "Hey sports fans we're working hard here in Japan on getting you <this> and <that>. We have a content update scheduled for Feb XX that will be giving you some more to do. Keep in touch. xoxo"

But I know that sets them up for scrutiny and backlash if for whatever reason Feb XX comes and they can't deliver on <this> and <that>. Things just seem to be dwindling fast. =/

[Aratharn]

I always felt that disallowing invites to party when engaged was also a way to prevent holding parties. Just my two cents on that.

Why would that even be necessary in XIV? There are no 21-24hr spawns. Unless... unless they are planning........!!!

Nooooooooooooooooooooooo!

[Grey Jorildyn]

Well it will save them a shitton of GM calls in the future. Smart move imo. Poorly implemented but meh, it works. No outside healing either. Gee SE why didn't you just instancs this bullshit. HNM has basically become a spectator sport with these limitations.

[Tomino]

Design wise, I'd like them to finally set their mind of what kind of battle system they're making.
I loved FF11 because it was party centered and thus each class had clear flaws like no defences or CC. From the start, it was meant for people to arrange parties.

WoW and many other recent titles are much more designed on well-around classes, with GW2 pushing the idea even more. This said, endgame content loses a bit of group flavor / synergy and becomes more of a boss battle where 10 people have to move out of AoE or swith places.

Both are fine, but FF14 made it all awkard. It made solo-oriented classes and then forced them to group because it's FF tradition

[Aratharn]

Limit parties to 6, incorporate exp chains, bring back alliances for bigger fights.

That way party play is rewarded, but there are still alternatives (soloing/leves) to l4g for hours on end. The biggest gripe the masses had to FFXI's party system was that there was no other option.. It wasn't unheard of to sit in Jueno for 2+ hours browsing the AH while seeking for a party. (unless you were a BRD or RDM)

I think most people can appreciate the party system FF11 had. If anything that is what SE should have copied from FFXI.. give us new races but keep party play! In FFXI you were meeting strangers damn near every day, I feel like in FFXIV 90% of my interaction is with my own LS mates because the game does not encourage a whole lot of socializing. No one uses the party search function because party play isn't as rewarding as huge leve links... so currently to do anything with random players you are resorting to shouting/answering shouts.

[Hiroishime]

im not sure im going to miss 5 hours LFP