Random Complaint Thread. No white knighting allowed.

[The Q]

Why do you guys still take Hyan seriously at all? He's the definition of those fools at Zam who still see SE as a god. Just let him keep pretending that anything he says has a grain of value and skip over his post. Let the monkey have his fun. I am pretty sure you can't fight his brand of stupid without anything short of fire or drowning. If we are lucky, he will wake up one of these days and ask himself why he is so retarded.

Honestly I had resigned to completely ignore the kid after he made the claim that I had allegedly instigated him by making a general statement that he took as being directed solely at him. That's either some straight up mental problems or a 15 year old, because that's something I would have (and probably have) when I was that age. However when the little shit makes a baseless attack like that and somehow doesn't get a time out for OBVIOUS fucking trolling that just got under my skin. Some people just need their fucking teeth knocked out (or fingers broken in this case) before they realize to just shut the fuck up and stop trying to cause trouble. I know there's more than a few people here that don't care for what I have to say (and by extension of that, myself) but I am willing to wager that most if not all people on this forum, and ZAM too considering how his posts there are reacted to, can't stand this little shit. Congratulations Hyan, no one likes you and you make your country look bad.

What I said is an absolute fact. If they had went with what works and what is widely accepted and convenient to everyone rather than taking an enormous step back and trying to reinvent the wheel and then continually trying to make it less shit, but still shit, and approaching making it a facsimile of what they originally avoided making then all that time and effort fucking with the wards could have went towards fixing the other garbage in this game.

[Lucavi]

I know there's more than a few people here that don't care for what I have to say (and by extension of that, myself) but I am willing to wager that most if not all people on this forum, and ZAM too considering how his posts there are reacted to, can't stand this little shit. Congratulations Hyan, no one likes you and you make your country look bad.

I'm no Hyan fan, but this has absolutely nothing to do with XIV complaints. Take it to PM or flame wars, broski. Raging at Hyan's trolling does nothing to help the shitty XIV situation.

[Elrina]

I'm no Hyan fan, but this has absolutely nothing to do with XIV complaints. Take it to PM or flame wars, broski. Raging at Hyan's trolling does nothing to help the shitty XIV situation.

No offense, Lucavi, but this entire section long ago lost any real semblance of strict dedication to the topic of FFXIV. For better or worse, there have been a fair amount of arguments back and forth between people in threads not designed for them, and both you and I have been part of them (usually both of us with Hyan, just reinforcing Q's comments). There hasn't even really been an argument, Q got trolled and was responding to a comment that regarded it.

When the argument spans a full page, or even half a page, I can see making a comment regarding taking it to the flame wars thread. Otherwise, his original comment was pertaining to FFXIV, the whole market wards thing was a stupid idea and the crafting should have been balanced around an auction house that existed at release, which would have saved a lot of pointless work that should have been completely unnecessary. It's just an example of one of SE's many really stupid mistakes with this game that now more money has to be spent and more time wasted to rectify. It was a perfectly valid FFXIV complaint.

[Lucavi]

I'm not a mod, so I can't purge anything, but that doesn't mean we should just abandon all semblance of standards. I don't mind the XIV comment, but delving into a "I hate you, Hyan" tirade is pointless, especially here.

[Siatdiat]

I'm not a mod, so I can't purge anything, but that doesn't mean we should just abandon all semblance of standards. I don't mind the XIV comment, but delving into a "I hate you, Hyan" tirade is pointless, especially here.

I'm pretty sure I did something similar to what Hyan did, i.e. call someone a retard/moron etc. and got a warning and 3 day suspension.

I don't know what anyone expects in this section though. There is no modding, and if there is suddenly modding its because it was the trend that day to bitch about no modding so mods come and mod for 2-3 days. Then its back to the cesspool. Which makes sense because the game is terrible.

Edit: Here is what I posted and got a warning for flaming outside the flame wars thread.

I don't know what's funnier about this thread. Mioko after all the white knighting deciding that SE has finally pissed them off.... by using too many pop culture references lately, or Hyan trying to defend shitty stats on this gear by making up the most ridiculous game mechanic I've ever heard. If that is really the intention of SE...

Yeah so calling someone a retard straight up isn't a flame? And isn't this outside the flame wars thread?!

[Elrina]

I'm not a mod, so I can't purge anything, but that doesn't mean we should just abandon all semblance of standards. I don't mind the XIV comment, but delving into a "I hate you, Hyan" tirade is pointless, especially here.

That's true, I just think it's the wrong time or place to start backseat modding about standards that exactingly. Once the game starts regaining a semblance of worth, definitely. Or if the mods themselves decide that it's worth dedicating the time and energy to properly moderating the section, sure. Regardless, if "it was pointless", then you should have included the quote from Hyan that says:

We do have our own share of retards too, Seph.

and

I certainly hope for the latter, as that just makes you pathetic- in which case I apologize, I know it can be tough for some.

Because they were just as unnecessary, and obviously directed at The Q. I'll agree that completely random arguments are unnecessary (I had one myself with Hyan in another thread, and eventually brought it to the flame thread for that very reason, and I've seen you go back and forth with him), and that we should at least attempt to maintain on the topic of FFXIV. But singling someone out, when they're responding in kind to who is undoubtedly the biggest troll in the section, isn't the right thing to do imo. If you're going to do it, at least be fair about it and call them both out.

I'm pretty sure I did something similar to what Hyan did, i.e. call someone a retard/moron etc. and got a warning and 3 day suspension.

I don't know what anyone expects in this section though. There is no modding, and if there is suddenly modding its because it was the trend that day to bitch about no modding so mods come and mod for 2-3 days. Then its back to the cesspool. Which makes sense because the game is terrible.

Yeah so calling someone a retard straight up isn't a flame? And isn't this outside the flame wars thread?!

This is ultimately the point. The post he referred to was a troll post, but his point is valid. We can move this all to the flame thread (and probably should), or continue it here, it makes no real ultimate difference. Because almost every aspect of FFXIV is worth complaining about. As far as I know, you still can't even alt+tab from true fullscreen, and how retarded is that? Everything has been complained about excessively, but that doesn't mean it isn't all still worth complaining about, because it's still a problem. This is what makes this section, and this and the Flame Thread especially, the longest threads by far and those paid the most attention to.

Grey suggested getting rid of the Flame Thread entirely at one point, and made sense. But the game isn't to the point where removing it would make sense, because there still needs to be a place for us to ultimately go to have these arguments. We need this thread to bitch and complain in, because until the game has it's sub fee in effect, there's probably going to still be way too much shit worth complaining about.

I realize it's getting old, and boring, to read people complaining about shit. But as long as it's there, and stupid, and problematic, and frustrating, and causing people to not want to play, then all of it is still worth complaining about. If people want to moderate the trolls, great, moderate the trolls. But don't start calling people out at random, especially when they're just responding to getting trolled. Either bitch at both people, mod both people, or don't even bother till the game is worth the time of a larger amount of people to pay attention to.

Regardless, here's a link to the Flame Thread. If people want to use it, feel free.

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/997...hreads/page116



tl;dr - Mod the trolls as well as the people responding in kind, not just the people responding to getting trolled, or don't even bother.

[BethorBismarck]

Hmm I bet we would only have like 40 pages if we remove the fighting from Hyan, Elrina and Lucavi xD (nothing against you guys!)

Get back to complaining about FFXIV features like.. you gotta be in Active Mode to activate Quickstride yay >.>!

[Sephiroth]

Get back to complaining about FFXIV features like.. you gotta be in Active Mode to activate Quickstride yay >.>!

From a design point it was probably intended to be used when you're trying to get away from a mob that is going to kill you. Having to exit active mode to use it in that situation would suck. But surely they could just make it work in either mode. I find Prospect V is better for running around in most situations.

[Sephiroth]

Check the Lodestone. New letter and the battle system poll. Some things concern me however.

"Also, the amount of experience points awarded to Disciples of the Hand is a bit on the large side, and will be balanced to be more akin to those awarded to Disciples of War and Magic."

Time to power level your crafts.

"Reduction of "full" party size from 15 to 8 members"

I see no mention of alliances. That sounds small for potential end-game stuff. Couldn't imagine killing Dodore with 8 lol. I want to see more people able to get involved in content, not less. My LS already has people sitting out on fights because of the 15 cap.

"–NEW– Examination of an auto-attack feature"

Awesome.

[Hyan]

Lolz

Why do you guys still take Hyan seriously at all? He's the definition of those fools at Zam who still see SE as a god.

Which is why I'm criticizing them so much nowadays, and especially Yoshida.

Some people just need their fucking teeth knocked out (or fingers broken in this case) before they realize to just shut the fuck up and stop trying to cause trouble.

e-thuggin'

Congratulations Hyan, no one likes you and you make your country look bad.

And why this might be? Lemme tell ya:

He's the definition of those fools at Zam who still see SE as a god.

Ignorance is a bliss. Hurr durr he thinks SE can do no wrong herpbandwagonderp

Also more complaints about me trolling in this thread please. The hypocrisy is remarkable. Only Lucavi gets away with it because he is just talking in jest.

Hmm I bet we would only have like 40 pages if we remove the fighting from Hyan, Elrina and Lucavi xD (nothing against you guys!)

Damn straight. I keep you lurkers entertained, be glad.

And I admit I went too far there. Now deal with it.

I don't know what's funnier about this thread. Mioko after all the white knighting deciding that SE has finally pissed them off.... by using too many pop culture references lately, or Hyan trying to defend shitty stats on this gear by making up the most ridiculous game mechanic I've ever heard. If that is really the intention of SE...

Yeah so calling someone a retard straight up isn't a flame? And isn't this outside the flame wars thread?!

Actually, I got a suspension before for trolling outside this thread, deservedly. If I remember correctly you said that in the Official News section, so it makes sense you got hammered for it too. As for this thread?



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As for the new letter, there is so much stupid shit in there I think I'm getting a headache from reading it. However, the ship is being turned, and whether the new direction is back to the high seas and storms or to the shore to get new passengers, the important thing is that we are moving.

/thinks SE is god

[Sephiroth]

As for the new letter, there is so much stupid shit in there I think I'm getting a headache from reading it. However, the ship is being turned, and whether the new direction is back to the high seas and storms or to the shore to get new passengers, the important thing is that we are moving.

/thinks SE is god

There's a lot of good in there too. The important bit is that we bitch about the shit that sucks, instead of writing essay flames that only one other person is going to read (I skipped over the rest of your post.)

[Hyan]

Even when there were pretty pics?!

Really, what good is talking about how they "should have done this" or "should have done that" like it has any importance at this point? I'm all up for discussing the current events and things SE can still affect.

The addition of auto-attack is pretty dumb shit. Queued skills like in XIII would have worked much better for this game in my ever so honest opinion.

[Sephiroth]

It's more that we should bitch about what they should or shouldn't do at this point, not what they shouldn't have done.

I get sick of spamming the 1 key so auto attack is a good change. Hopefully they'll make it optional so people who dislike it can turn it off. Queuing attacks wouldn't work because you don't know when you'll have the right amount of TP.

I'm more concerned about the max party size and claiming system changes right now. I started filling in the poll and then stopped because it's confusing, and if it confuses me the average joe isn't going to fill it in very well either.

Claiming Enemies
The current system of "claiming" enemies allows for one party to claim one enemy group, and players are able to obtain skill and experience points only from those enemies that they or their party have claimed. For a number of reasons, we are currently planning to make changes to the way in which this system functions. In addition to certain already existing inconsistencies, we also foresee issues with the claiming system once large-scale content is introduced in the future, such as multiple parties fighting together against a common enemy, or multiple parties engaging one another in PvP. We would like to hear your opinion on some of the changes we have in mind.

9. If the current target claiming system were done away with, would you be in favor of a system that rewards skill, experience, and loot only to the party that first deals damage to an enemy? Or would you be in favor of skill, experience, and loot being distributed amongst all parties that contributed to an enemy’s defeat? *
Skill, experience, and loot going to only the first party to deal damage to an enemy.
Skill, experience, and loot going to all parties taking part in an enemy’s defeat.
10. If the current target claiming system were done away with, would you prefer for content such as dungeons and battle to be converted into instances as much as possible?
* “Instances” refer to those events and areas that can only be occupied by a single party, or certain characters, at once. This serves to prevent players from competing with one another for the same enemies, for example. *
Yes.
No.

Are they basically suggesting an idea of anyone being able to claim anything whenever? So if someone is fighting an NM I could go poke it too?

[Hyan]

Everyone is going to pick option 2 as far as bonus point allotment goes, and the system will end up being worse than it is now, and multiple times worse than the current system could have been with small changes.

Option 1 or keep it as-is.

Holy shit at the claiming change.

So if someone is fighting an NM I could go poke it too?

Basically.

They really made it tough for me to decide on the last question. Instancing in MMO's is some dumb shit when taken too far but so is this upcoming claiming system. I think I'll pick Skill, experience, and loot going to only the first party to deal damage to an enemy and that I don't prefer the game to be instanced.

As for comments, A) Let us use the basic attacks while moving, B) Fasten the frame-rate for as many skills as possible preferably without making them look like crap, C) make skills more flashy, D) Improve the lag.

[Gulkeeva]

If your getting lag thats a fps issue, reduce your settings >.>
The new tree's lag my fps a bit if I swing my camera into them (its like -30fps in some parts)

I'm randomly hoping the guy adds that "test server" he's been talking about so all these suggestions actually get tested out instead of just tossing it in and see what happens because it sounded good at the time.

also on that claiming thing... hope they jsut change it to where I can claim multiple stuff if I hit it first and no one else can touch it besides my group... changing it to the RO MVP system would suck alot... one the things I hated about RO >.>

[Hyan]

My fps is perfectly fine, it's just not good enough... nothing below 500 ms is good enough and they can achieve that even if their servers are located in hawaii.

[Sephiroth]

Everyone is going to pick option 2 as far as bonus point allotment goes, and the system will end up being worse than it is now, and multiple times worse than the current system could have been with small changes.

Option 1 or keep it as-is.

Holy shit at the claiming change.



Basically.

They really made it tough for me to decide on the last question. Instancing in MMO's is some dumb shit when taken too far but so is this upcoming claiming system. I think I'll pick Skill, experience, and loot going to only the first party to deal damage to an enemy and that I don't prefer the game to be instanced.

As for comments, A) Let us use the basic attacks while moving, B) Fasten the frame-rate for as many skills as possible preferably without making them look like crap, C) make skills more flashy, D) Improve the lag.

I like option 2 in the point allotment. Unlike option 1 I keep some freedom over my stats, while it allows me to play ARC and CON without severely gimping one of them. I don't see how this is worse?

I agree on the claiming questions. I hope they aren't even considering letting anyone attack anything and sharing the spoils between all who attacked it. That just sounds too retarded to be true where NMs are concerned. They could make NMs different but it's still an unnecessary system. The claiming system does need changing for large PvE but I'm not sure they're going about it the right way.

[Rivian]

I'm still annoyed that it's impossible for me to initiate a battle regimen after stacking the commands when using a controller and the chat keyboard feature enabled. Before, you were able to select it on the command bar with the controller...but now they changed that. I even changed the keyboard button to something other than a text key to not bring up the log when i hit the default key and it still won't work, unless i'm missing something? Idk why they didn't just make the initiate button the same as the stack command button.

[Hyan]

I like option 2 in the point allotment. Unlike option 1 I keep some freedom over my stats, while it allows me to play ARC and CON without severely gimping one of them. I don't see how this is worse?

Let's be honest here. The min/maxers are going to determine the best stats and you are going to use them or be gimp. This is perfect for the players that "aren't sheep" and are "unique snowflakes". For the rest of us it doesn't matter whether they go with option 1 or 2, the freedom is already lost regardless. At least with option 1 I don't have to deal with the hassle of allotting points the right way myself.

[Sephiroth]

Let's be honest here. The min/maxers are going to determine the best stats and you are going to use them or be gimp. This is perfect for the players that "aren't sheep" and are "unique snowflakes". For the rest of us it doesn't matter whether they go with option 1 or 2, the freedom is already lost regardless. At least with option 1 I don't have to deal with the hassle of allotting points the right way myself.

There should be more than one "best stats" depending on how you want to play your class. Does a CON want to focus on healing or nuking? Does a GLA want to focus on tanking or attacking? etc. At minimum it's no worse than the current system. At best I get to play multiple disciplines without feeling useless. Did you know one point re-assignment takes 3 hours? You're looking at two days for me to come from ARC > CON > ARC, which means my CON will only be optimal for three hours while my ARC is gimped for 45 hours. That's obviously a waste of time, I'd have to stay on CON for longer. It's not so bad if you stick within the same discipline, but why should you have to? The sooner point allocation for everything is refined the better. Both their solutions work, 2 just sounds better.