Random Complaint Thread. No white knighting allowed.

[Lucavi]

Personally i dont think there is much of a difference between them. Once people find good exp spots and grouping gets more popular it should feel a lot less "grindy".

I disagree. The randomness of the system ensures that even if you party, there's no garuntee you'll see anything for your efforts, and the bugs with the partying system all but ensure that at some (frequent) point, you're going to lose whatever SP you actually accrued throughout the fight.

Also take into account the nature of the game which encourages frequent job-shifting.

Edit: Miko: We've been over this. SE does not get a free pass to scrub around with the launch of their new game because they MADE THE OLD ONE! Their first go-round was the chance to scrub around. They get no "its brand new!" free pass this time, because they've had 8 years worth of feedback and experience to draw from when designing their new system.

That "rebuttal" is tired. Put it to bed.

[Lordender]

I find a severe lack of failure when I load up lodestone just to see "Regarding an Issue with Player Character Profile Images on Lodestone (Oct. 5)"

0 communication going on, what a surprise, lol(not!).

[ascalon]

I find a severe lack of failure when I load up lodestone just to see "Regarding an Issue with Player Character Profile Images on Lodestone (Oct. 5)"

0 communication going on, what a surprise, lol(not!).

I got told off by another poster (and a dude on Twitter) when I complained about that. He told me that it was the first week of service and they have more important things to do that talk to the playerbase.

I kind of felt he made my point about bad PR for me...

[Dantrag]

This, but with a bonus based on your group as well, since mobs change their colour depending on your actual group.

I think a change in the amount of SP per mob HAS to go hand in hand with sorting out the colour system and the difficulty of mobs, though. Currently, some Easy Prey mobs simply hit far too hard to really be classified as Easy Prey, and most mobs have far too few HP yet hit far too hard -- especially in higher star leves.

I agree, with the party comment. It was just something that I thought of as a basic example for solo. Thing with the party system is that pretty much everything turns blue when you're in a group, so I have no idea how they would do that. Would have to maybe base it off the highest person in the PT and times it by x and divide by how many people were in the pt... or something <_>;

[Toth]

I think the first round of negative reviews will hopefully spur some action but until then...I will just grind away at leves and dwindle my anima traveling to cities constantly questioning how much progress I am making (though my character's gear is getting better and sexier each day).

[Priran]

I decided to do a bit of a comparison and write-up between FFXI's levelling and FFXIV's.

I know its not really fair to compare the two just in terms of raw data, so as well as THIS HANDY CHART (spoilered for size)-

Spoiler: show

http://www.demajen.co.uk/ffxiv/shots/TNLchart.jpg

- I also did a write-up of the system: http://demajen.co.uk/ffxiv/?p=150

I'd love any thoughts and extra information and points of view from y'all that I could add.

I noticed this pretty much as soon as I hit rank 10. Anyone who still thinks Fatigue is there to be some revolutionary new way of letting casuals hit max rank with a low exp curve blah blah blah is a moron. It should be pretty obvious by now that the system is there to keep Lv.50s from hitting max rank on a DoW/DoM in a couple afternoons.

[#686578]

I'm here to complain about people not using FFXIVpro.

[miokomioko]

I'm here to complain again about how they nerfed the shit out of half of DoL's leves, yielding absolutely no bonus skill/exp with or without Guardian's Aspect.

[Lucavi]

^ I'll second this. I feel bad for my buddies that sacrifice battlecraft leves for fieldcraft, trying to get some points. They always end up disappointed.

[blythe]

I don't even bother grinding my lancer anymore with the current system. Crafting is fine, a bit of a grind, but not bad at all, esepcially with leves. I can do a craft and see "Hey I can do this item without failing, and get 200 sp each time It'll take me an hour to rank up" vs "Hey, I just killed 4 VT fly swarms on lancer and got 0 sp, 50 sp, 0 sp, and 180 sp, and on my way here I killed a blu mob and got 200 sp, I have no idea how long it will take me to rank up, especially when these flies repop at 1-6 mins and there's only 3 in this area".

This is the issue for me. I don't want grinding to be easier, I just want it to be a bit more logical. The randomness and the fact that you aren't rewarded (and are often penalized) for defeating harder mobs is what kills it for me

[Lucavi]

Imagine a korean grind MMO that used this skill point system. Imagine RO with it. You have a chance on each porring you kill to get exp. Sometimes you do, sometimes you don't.

[Lordender]

The exp system is just so horrid that I don't even see myself trying to even play outside of leve's anymore.

[CrstyCptSteveWitherspoon]

Two complaints;

Since the market ward system is so bad, no one is using them. Therefore my retainer sitting at the stand is not selling anything. This causes an issue because, being a crafter, I'm always 70+/80 and I cannot summon my retainer because she's in a stand(which makes sense). So, I've terminated my stand lease(I mean, come on, dodoskin harnesses and sheepskin targes for 30k is a deal). This won't been an issue though when I can hire a 2nd retainer(though it does cost $1 more a month right?)

Second, this SP system is retarded. Was close to 21 lancer so I decided to grind it. Three blu mobs and no skill. Ok, whatever, they're blue, but being 80 sp to next rank and not getting anything was a bitch. Finally rank up and decide to explore and found some VT-IT puks. Killed a few, got 150-250 sp, not bad at all. Then I killed three VT's in a row and got 0, 19, and 0 sp. This system isn't broke or anything.

[Priran]

people giving coordinates as (Y,X)

the fuck is wrong with you

[Greedouw]

Moko grass x3 reward for a lvl 10 weaver leve?

wtf??

[Noob]

Maybe it's my perception but it doesn't seem like a lot of people want to group so far in the game. Maybe it's too early to be concerned with that but leve-sharing and leve grinding, in my opinion, seems to be a very efficient way to exp/skill. Not to mention, with leve mobs you are basically promised mobs to kill for those skills and gains. I did some shouting last night around one of the camps but not a single bite. I was already in a group of 3 people but we were hoping to add a few more, up the difficulty and see how we fared.

No, the problem is, their's no balance whatsoever to PTing. I've been making PTs the last 4 days, testing everything under the sun and the enmity system is so fucked up....it's making me seriously consider just quitting and I'm one of those people who hasn't let the long list of flaws this early on in the game's life get to me.

With that said, I completely agree with the notion that this game is nowhere near where it should be at release, regardless of whether or not it was rushed. I wasn't expecting a FFXIv2, that was very apparent with the information SE released before the game's release, so I was somewhat prepared for what was coming. However, their are some elements from XI that needed to be kept. They should be pretty obvious.

I believe wholemotherfuckingheartedly that CasualPlayer is trolling and not one thing he's said is his own honest feeling of this game. Their's just no way anyone can feel that way about this game. Even Hyan and Miow/e are so hard to perceive as truly believing the absolute bullshit they're spewing about how great this game is, but I know someway, somehow they really fucking believe this game is holy and just...

With all of that said, I'm one of the probably very, very few who has just sucked up everything that's been messed up with this game and just kept my mouth shut (other than how pissed I've been that my Marauder's accuracy is complete and utter shit) and been too patient with SE about things. I really, really want to get enjoyment out of FFXIV but their are so many disappointments with this game, it's ridiculous. I would at least thing this game would pick up where XI left off as far as simple shit that makes the game's UI usable. Holy mother of God will I miss XI... No matter how great XIV could become (I'm very severely doubting it will ever be great at this point but I must hold onto hope), it will never ever scratch the surface of what XI was for me.

[miokomioko]

I don't recall saying anything was great, holy, or just.

[Lordender]

Why does this all sound familar? the game isn't even two weeks old yet and it's already down to people saying "This update is going to determine if I keep playing this game or not." The communication from the dev's is STILL laughable at best, when I go to lodestone searching for news the last fucking thing I want to see under current issues is something about lodestone profile images not working correctly. I want to see "we are aware of an issue of parties more than 2 people cause someone not to gain exp." "We are not happy with how skill gains are working and will be addressing it soon."

I am just really baffled at how some people could even defend this game, I say fuck the auction house when the enmity and exp system doesn't even work correctly. The AH will be the most ghetto cut cornered lagged peice of shit ever if they added it to the game right now.

I had a friend translate some of those JP amazon reviewer's that gave the game 1 star i believe 111 jp's reamed it and gave it 1 star, if anyone is interested so i'll post a few.

"I'm already quitting my subscription and I paid 10,000 yen for this game and it was a complete waste, RUN AWAY FROM THIS GAME"

"FF11 servers at one time typically saw up to 3000 players on them and the game did not feel that crowded
but on FF14 the servers have 2000 players and it feels crowded as hell and it makes the game real bad."

"I also played FF11 and enjoyed it, so I thought FF14 would be enjoyable also. I bought a new PC for it, but it turns out to be a disastor"

"theres not a chance that the game will be worth playing until its out for PS3"

"I needed a new computer just to play the game so I spent 2000 dollars on a new system that has a sweet game controller and speakers, the whole package.
I finally got the game and went to play it , , , IT WAS TRUELY TERRIBLE!"

"I was a tester, complained about alot of things and NOTHING was fixed."

"Even the simplest of things takes FOREVER."

"there is not one change made since the open beta period."

"I recommend you wait 2 or 3 months and see what happens before checking it out more."

"feels like I have no idea what the story is or what my purpose in the game is."

"extremely dissapointing"

"there is a severe lack of explanation on how to play the game."

"the party system is very bad it takes forever to get parties together."

"Cannot talk while in synthesis."

"its very hard to make even stupid shit like "juice".

[Kuroanagi]

I find a severe lack of failure when I load up lodestone just to see "Regarding an Issue with Player Character Profile Images on Lodestone (Oct. 5)"

0 communication going on, what a surprise, lol(not!).

90% of the announcements are about the most insignificant crap. Who cares if the lodestone profiles aren't working correctly? How about a huge write up about what you know isn't working and how and when you will fix it.

But no, all you see is "Fixed an issue where trees would not sway during a storm" or "Investigating an issue where highlighting a topic on Lodestone would not sparkle and glow".

Priorities: how do they work?

[miokomioko]

"there is a severe lack of explanation on how to play the game."

This is one of the complaints I have the hardest time understanding. Who exactly is having that hard of a time playing around, exploring, trial/error here and there as a brand new player in a brand new game and still just doesn't get it and throws their arms up in surrender? What aspect(s) of the game exactly is so "severely" lacking explanation? Is someone who caught on and understands the general mechanics of things that much more intelligent than the average person?

Kids these days!