Random Complaint Thread. No white knighting allowed.

[Kirbyprime]

Does anyone ever have trouble selling items to an NPC? I'm not referring to the excessive, redundant menus, just that sometimes I need to hit "sell" like, 30 times for it to go through.

I've had that problem once when I was trying to sell stuff in Limsa in the alleys next to a few hundred people. Quickly went away to a less lagfested area and it was fine.

[Cutriss]

U really think SE should use their developers time TO SIT IN A FORUM AND CONDUCT LIVE CHAT WITH PEOPLE LIKE U ANSWERING QUESTIONS ALL DAY?!

Didn't say live chat, didn't say developers. It's okay. The accuracy floor is 20%, so eventually you'll stop missing the point.

And that ffxi comparison? Come on use your brain. It's easy to outline the development cycle of a game that's 8 years old. Did u see any outlines with pretty graphics and graphs and timelines during the first several years of ffxis existence? No.

XI is 8 years old, been in development at least two or three longer than that. XIV has supposedly been in development for 5 years, so yes, I expect there to be a feature roadmap. If they don't have one, then that would certainly speak as to why they're just fixing shit at random. This is what we in the industry tend to refer to as a "plan". When you do things with a "plan", they tend to be more organized and structured.

PS - umad

[plue]

one of the biggest complaints in OB was the mouse lag. Was that not a fix from OB to retail?

I don't know why the fuck mouse was the biggest concern for people, and I'm pretty sure SE made that shit up because it was easy to fix. No one fucking uses the mouse in this game anyway. Get fucking real Casual, you're being a retard.


Note: I used the Bold function, because you like it so much.

[CrstyCptSteveWitherspoon]

Seems like they fixed the SP bug (yay), but the exp is just pooled and split, not SP. Party play still extremely weak, looks like lancer will sit on the back burner.

[CasualPlayer]

Didn't say live chat, didn't say developers. It's okay. The accuracy floor is 20%, so eventually you'll stop missing the point.XI is 8 years old, been in development at least two or three longer than that. XIV has supposedly been in development for 5 years, so yes, I expect there to be a feature roadmap. If they don't have one, then that would certainly speak as to why they're just fixing shit at random. This is what we in the industry tend to refer to as a "plan". When you do things with a "plan", they tend to be more organized and structured.

PS - umad

Your right u didn't say developers or live chat. But since your still bitching after the thorough update on the lodestone today what else could u have meant?

So be specific what do u want? All u said was two way communication. Nothing like developers responding to player feedback on the games official website or anything.

Also how do u know when they started developing ffxi? Even given your "guestimation" XI is still 5 to 6 years older than XIV. Given that massive stretch of time u still think its fair they don't have your yellow brick road map out on release?

[Cutriss]

Your right u didn't say developers or live chat. But since your still bitching after the thorough update on the lodestone today what else could u have meant?

Community managers? Public relations? Project managers?[/quote]So be specific what do u want? All u said was two way communication. Nothing like developers responding to player feedback on the games official website or anything.[/quote]While that would be nice, it's unrealistic. However, those in the roles I mentioned above can and *should* be filling those roles, and for whatever reason, they're not. Or they're doing a terrible job of it.

Also how do u know when they started developing ffxi?

Well, the game came out in May 2002, was in beta at least three months before that, and presumably SE didn't just produce it via immaculate conception, so it began development *at the latest* by January 2000. Considering it was a PS2 game ported to the PC, presumably they did development on PS2 units, which didn't even hit retail until March 2000, so they would have needed significant ramp-up time on PS2 development as well, even though the PC version came out first.

We were told directly by SE that Rapture/XIV had been in development for around four years when they first took the wraps off of it last year at E3, so yes, we do have a pretty good idea on when it started.

Even given your "guestimation" XI is still 5 to 6 years older than XIV. Given that massive stretch of time u still think its fair they don't have your yellow brick road map out on release?

Dude, this isn't just about *our* roadmap. They have their own internal roadmap. They have priorities and plans, and that's what we want to see. It's not like we want them to go through a ton of effort to produce something that didn't exist before - it exists already, and they're just not showing it to us. Pull your head out your ass.

Edit: You know what, unless you have a few years experience with doing something other than burger-flipping or pizza delivery, let alone software development, why don't you just STFU and let the big kids talk, 'kay?

[CasualPlayer]

I do play a hand at actual software dev. Which is why I know how hyper inflated you and the rest of the black knights expectations for this game are.

I also understand product to market cycles (which clearly u do not) so I can make the further claim that all your problems are going to be the same in every other mmo to release after this one.

Third: your still missing the point about dev communication. The lodestone is SE forum for explaining things within the game. I think the topics they post on their front fucking page are pretty fucking clear. If u still can't grasp this then either your not looking at the page, your blind( there isn't a braille option), or your retarded. Or some combination of the three.

You say u want community managers to explain shit to u... there is 0 difference between that and what's going on at the lodestone. Why aren't u grasping this? It's a forum for SE to explain their changes with the game and provide feedback from player submitted questions..... I explained it 3 times in this post now maybe one explanation will sink in.

Edit: about your roadmap SE has already explained pretty much everything ppl se bitching about. AH is coming, lag is being addressed, more content is coming, blah blah blah. U really need them to make a fucking pie chart for you with some dates in it? The games been out not even 3 weeks, get a fucking clue or stop posting.

Not even sure why your in the thread anyway you already admitted you don't even play the fucking game

[person2007]

I do play a hand at actual software dev. Which is why I know how hyper inflated you and the rest of the black knights expectations for this game are.

I also understand product to market cycles (which clearly u do not) so I can make the further claim that all your problems are going to be the same in every other mmo to release after this one.

Third: your still missing the point about dev communication. The lodestone is SE forum for explaining things within the game. I think the topics they post on their front fucking page are pretty fucking clear. If u still can't grasp this then either your not looking at the page, your blind( there isn't a braille option), or your retarded. Or some combination of the three.

You say u want community managers to explain shit to u... there is 0 difference between that and what's going on at the lodestone. Why aren't u grasping this? It's a forum for SE to explain their changes with the game and provide feedback from player submitted questions..... I explained it 3 times in this post now maybe one explanation will sink in.

Ok maybe the problems are in all MMOs. But the fact remains. XIV is still shit. Okay?

[CasualPlayer]

^ It's shit insofar as it doesn't play like an mmo that's been out for a year. Sure.

But at its core the game has some amazing design elements in it that puts it leaps and bounds ahead of most any other mmo I've played once the obvious patches are made.

[ascalon]

I'm sure Tanaka mentioned in the pre-live stuff that they would be showing us their 12-month roadmap "soon". I was hoping that meant "at launch, to give us something to look forwards to", but apparently I was wrong.

[Cutriss]

I also understand product to market cycles (which clearly u do not) so I can make the further claim that all your problems are going to be the same in every other mmo to release after this one.

I'm just going to disregard the rest of your nonsense and basically point out that you saying this invalidates the rest of your standing to speak on this issue. You're speaking like first-year MBA, not a project manager. Go back to Econ101.

[CasualPlayer]

^Good argument

At least it lets you escape from having to answer to your own stupidity regarding your inability to read.

[Cutriss]

^Good argument

At least it lets you escape from having to answer to your own stupidity regarding your inability to read.

Whatever man. You're still mad, and I'm still smarter than you.

Have a nice day. Since you're so thrilled about how awesome XIV is, I'm sure it's not hard for you to have nice days. Low expectations, blissful ignorance, etc.

[Don Katsu]

Are there any threads on this forum about bugs/fixes during the beta phase?

[Dooom]

You say u want community managers to explain shit to u... there is 0 difference between that and what's going on at the lodestone. Why aren't u grasping this? It's a forum for SE to explain their changes with the game and provide feedback from player submitted questions..... I explained it 3 times in this post now maybe one explanation will sink in.

Except this isn't what's really happening. Oh sure, explanations (if you can call it that) about namedays and gods is all fine and daddy, but there are more pressing issues at hand. SP in parties is a total mess and probably the biggest concern of everyone I know in the game, especially those playing CNJ, yet it's not being addressed. It feels like they're not talking to us, but at us.

[Achitophel]

I don't know why the fuck mouse was the biggest concern for people, and I'm pretty sure SE made that shit up because it was easy to fix. No one fucking uses the mouse in this game anyway. Get fucking real Casual, you're being a retard.

LOLOLOL

THEY INVENTED A PROBLEM SOLELY SO THEY COULD BE SEEN AS FIXING IT! SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!!!

[Noob]

The game should not have shipped as is? I don't agree with that, I agree there are issues present and I HOPE they will be fixed, if not I will take my money elsewhere, but these issues do not hamper the game for me and many others.

They hamper the game for most of the rest of us. People accepting low standards baffles me so much. The fact is, we got robbed with this launch. SE hasn't been handling XIV with any sort of competence and anyone who can't see that is an idiot. The game needs many fixes to be enjoyable at a somewhat reasonable level.

[miokomioko]

They hamper the game for most of the rest of us. People accepting low standards baffles me so much. The fact is, we got robbed with this launch.

Entitled much? It was upon your poor judgement that you pre-ordered the game that was obviously not shaping up to everyone's expectations. If you're the type of person who can't play through it, or can't cancel your subscription until it's fixed... perhaps it was a bad decision to jump right into it without testing the waters. Everyone's sense goes out the door when a new MMO is released, I swear.

I'm not defending the game itself as it is extremely unfinished... just like most people expected it to be. Preordering it with this in mind and then flailing around like an angry kid about it... is wow.

[Noob]

I can't stand it when I'm in the middle of soloing a levequest, fighting several mobs at a time using AoE attacks, then all of the sudden some goat or monkey decides to walk over to me and get hit. SE really needs to fix this so that while in the middle of a levequest surrounding mobs ignore you and your AoE attacks don't hit them. They should only hit the mobs in your quest.

[Noob]

I'm not defending the game itself as it is extremely unfinished... just like most people expected it to be.

At least it's nice to see you admit the game isn't milk and honey in the promised land's pasture.

But on a serious note, I was hopeful, as were many others, that SE would've learned from XI and showed better customer care. Yes, the joke's on us now, but it doesn't excuse it and it doesn't prohibit us from the right to speak out vocally against them for it.