Random Complaint Thread. No white knighting allowed.

[Dooom]

I remember an interview where one of the developers said they wished they had another two months before release. So it looks like some features won't be ready until November.

I doubt it. If they waited two more months they could have focused solely on preparing the game; with it out there they now have to spend time on game maintenance as well, hence diverting time and money away from things which aren't yet ready. So something that would otherwise have been ready in November would probably take longer.

inb4 CasualPlayer has fun with what I did and didn't say and trolls some more.

Also, Lodestone is a big disappointment. It's a perfect resource for communication and official forums which I hoped for so much, but alas, they basically can't be bothered with such things.

[CasualPlayer]

When I read things like this:I imagine that Sundi has a smirk on his face as if he had just pooped in his diaper. It's like it's just one big "Absolute Virtue: The Game".

I'm starting to wonder if u even played ffxi..... Stupid question is stupid. You think they're not going to unlock chocos or Jueno? Why even ask Sundi such a retarded question. I would laugh too if I was him.

All goes back to ppl having not played a vanilla mmo before.

[CasualPlayer]

I doubt it. If they waited two more months they could have focused solely on preparing the game; with it out there they now have to spend time on game maintenance as well, hence diverting time and money away from things which aren't yet ready. So something that would otherwise have been ready in November would probably take longer.

inb4 CasualPlayer has fun with what I did and didn't say and trolls some more.

Also, Lodestone is a big disappointment. It's a perfect resource for communication and official forums which I hoped for so much, but alas, they basically can't be bothered with such things.

So here the definition of a troll is someone who proves another person wrong, or argues against retarded posts with valid ones?

Then yes I'm a troll.

[Dooom]

I'm starting to wonder if u even played ffxi..... Stupid question is stupid. You think they're not going to unlock chocos or Jueno? Why even ask Sundi such a retarded question. I would laugh too if I was him.

Why is it stupid? Heaven forbid someone approaches this as their first MMO and/or hasn't played XI before. Furthermore, for all that you'd think the answer might be obvious, the reply from Sundi shows a certain attitude which is hard to justify.

So here the definition of a troll is someone who proves another person wrong, or argues against retarded posts with valid ones?

Then yes I'm a troll.

lol, I like you.

[CasualPlayer]

Also, Lodestone is a big disappointment. It's a perfect resource for communication and official forums which I hoped for so much, but alas, they basically can't be bothered with such things.

Also, just for the record Doooom. There are so many holes in this statement I could fuck it with 10 dicks. But I'm going to lunch now so your off the hook. Lucky break

[Dooom]

If you think that what's happening right now is communication then you must have some long, meaningful conversations with yourself.

[Kaiyoko]

I'd say the lodestone is a step in the right direction for SE. I wouldn't be praising it though... Saying it's a complete disappointment seems a little far >_>

[Cutriss]

I'm starting to wonder if u even played ffxi..... Stupid question is stupid. You think they're not going to unlock chocos or Jueno? Why even ask Sundi such a retarded question. I would laugh too if I was him.

Pretty sure they weren't asking "if". Pretty sure they were asking "when".

[Elrina]

I'm starting to wonder if u even played ffxi..... Stupid question is stupid. You think they're not going to unlock chocos or Jueno? Why even ask Sundi such a retarded question. I would laugh too if I was him.

All goes back to ppl having not played a vanilla mmo before.

Apparently, the press completely tearing the game apart is just because people with no knowledge or expertise of MMOs wrote the reviews, and not because they made rational or reasonable points.

So here the definition of a troll is someone who proves another person wrong, or argues against retarded posts with valid ones?

Then yes I'm a troll.

Just wondering if you realize that you can quote more than one person in a single post, and respond to each individually? I realize it takes slightly more work, copy/pasting and all, but still.

And as far as you being a troll... Hyan and Mioko can be frustrating sometimes, since they seem to be the designated "White Knights", but at least their posts are (usually) rational and thought out, and make sense/pertain to whatever they're trying to deny. They get frustrated at times too, and often frustrate a lot of other people, but I have to say that I've gained a measure of respect for both of them. They enjoy their time with the game right now, and the potential it has, but they too expect changes from SE and have their own issues with the game, albeit not as severe as many others. When they defend it, it's because they honestly feel it's worth defending at this point, and whether I agree with them or not I can respect that.

You, however, seem to troll people simply for the sake of doing so. It seems like defending the game plays second fiddle to the attempt to make other people look like fools. It's not even so much that you have to be right, it's just that they have to look stupid for having an opinion that differs from what you think.

I don't care if you want to defend XIV and what it has going for it, a devil's advocate is rarely a bad thing. I often make mistakes, and so do others, and I can get frustrated and angry with something I feel should have had more care put into it. Having someone around to point out the pros when all anyone can think of are the cons is a good thing, it helps give the rest of us (in my opinion, at least) reasons to continue playing (strangely enough) in the hopes that it really will get better, however bad it feels right now. But seriously, if you're going to continue, how about you stop with the deliberate trolls simply for the sake of being an asshole.

[Dooom]

I'd say the lodestone is a step in the right direction for SE. I wouldn't be praising it though... Saying it's a complete disappointment seems a little far >_>

It's not a complete disappointment, but it's a big one. The recipe sections are far inferior to those on YG/Zam/etc, communication thus far has been minimal, and I'm very disappointed at the lack of official forums or something like a developer's blog where they could simply post saying "hey, we're gonna do this, we're looking into this, we're pretty happy with this" and so on. I have to keep coming back to party SP gains because it's such a perfect example (hell, SP gains full-stop). Is their random nature working as intended or not? I keep saying it feels like a bug, other people I speak to feel the same way, but none of us know for sure, which is very frustrating.

[Kaiyoko]

It's not a complete disappointment, but it's a big one. The recipe sections are far inferior to those on YG/Zam/etc, communication thus far has been minimal, and I'm very disappointed at the lack of official forums or something like a developer's blog where they could simply post saying "hey, we're gonna do this, we're looking into this, we're pretty happy with this" and so on. I have to keep coming back to party SP gains because it's such a perfect example (hell, SP gains full-stop). Is their random nature working as intended or not? I keep saying it feels like a bug, other people I speak to feel the same way, but none of us know for sure, which is very frustrating.

I don't think the intention of the recipe sections are to give a complete list. It's just a list for people to start with so they are not completely lost.

The lack of forums is understandable.

[CasualPlayer]

Pretty sure they weren't asking "if". Pretty sure they were asking "when".

Doesn't matter.

Bob Lutz (Vice chairman for GM) Announced they'd be coming out with a new electric Cadillac sports car called the Converj. Had pics of it specs the whole nine. People hounded him for a production date and he cracked and gave one, said it would come in 2012. Made me as well as lots of other enthusiasts really excited to get our hands on the car I'm sure.

GM has since said the car will never see the light of day.

Now I'm angry at GM.

Tl;dr its not always best to stamp a date down until u can absolutely be sure u can adhere to it.

[Sephiroth]

If they had official forums would people use them, or would people stick to sites like BG, Zam and Core? I'm sure the developers are reading these forums for player feedback, even though they don't post. If they did have official forums and made posts they'd just get flamed to hell and back every time they post, and I can't imagine anyone at SE would want that job. That's why they make posts on the Lodestone and don't allow comments.

[CasualPlayer]

@Elrina I post from a smartphone copy/paste is hard.

Also u saying I'm an "asshole" seems like the pot meeting the kettle. Anyone who defends this game in any way is called a white knight or SE defense force, retard blah blah. Yet when I iterate a response to someone's bitching about the lodestone, u expect me to remain placid after being called a troll.

Personally I think your the asshole and the troll.

Edit: Also, I already knew I was an asshole but welcome to the club.

[miokomioko]

Lodestone is a lot more than we ever had. I'm not sure what people were expecting out of it.

[CasualPlayer]

^ A forum

[Kaiyoko]

Lodestone is a lot more than we ever had. I'm not sure what people were expecting out of it.

I think people want something similar to Blizzard blue posts talking more into detail about the upcoming plans.

[Elrina]

@Elrina I post from a smartphone copy/paste is hard.

I can understand that then.

Also u saying I'm an "asshole" seems like the pot meeting the kettle. Anyone who defends this game in anyway is called a white knight or SE defense force, retard blah blah. Yet when I iterate a response U expect me to remain placid.

I didn't say I thought you should be a shining example of chivalry at all times. I specifically referred to probably the two most prevalent defenders of XIV on BG. They aren't always the nicest people about it either, it goes both ways. But there is a difference between how they generally respond and react to people, and how you generally do. I don't even want to argue about it, it's just my own personal observation. I've got about three hours to get some sleep in now, and the clock is ticking, so I'm out.

Last thing on topic that I'd like to mention is that I think the lack of official forums on Lodestone is a cop out. Yeah, devs might get flamed, but they're supposed to be above that. They don't feed trolls, and if a thread turned into a flame when they gave a legit reply to someone, then lock the topic or lose the potential for another dev response in that thread. People would learn some limits, somewhat, and an officially moderated forum would help mitigate and control it (if they actually bothered to hire people to mod properly).

And of course most communities would probably continue to post on their own forums more often than not, but it would be a communal place for all the different communities to be able to ask questions and give direct public feedback to the devs and have the potential for responses that we don't have now.

[Dooom]

I think people want something similar to Blizzard blue posts talking more into detail about the upcoming plans.

I haven't played WOW so can't say if the comparison is accurate, but it sounds like it. Sure it's more than we had before with XI, but I still feel it could have been more still.

[Lucavi]

Probably devs talking about "why" they won't implement certain changes that people may want, as well, or why they're taking so long to work on something that the players feel is prominent. There's a lot that goes into it, but it'd be much harder for SE than Blizzard considering Bliz gets most of their questions/comments/tripe from NA speaking players, so there's not as much translating that need to go down.

Square would be getting it from all sides and languages, considering this game had a simultaneous worldwide launch, would have to translate all of that, then respond to, and translate the responses. That's a lot more work, which is probably part of the reason why we're seeing those 3/4 question sessions once every other week or so.