Random Complaint Thread. No white knighting allowed.

[person2007]

Edit: Also, I already knew I was an asshole but welcome to the club.

Asshole is, a bit far. Retard maybe, but not asshole.
Also i don't really care about the Lodestone forum thing, they have always been quiet about updates and stuff. No one really complained during XI

Edit: I can remember AoC's forum. Half of the playerbase quit because of the "WHY THIS GAME IS DYING" threads. Maybe it was a good idea not to have official forums

[Kaiyoko]

I haven't played WOW so can't say if the comparison is accurate, but it sounds like it. Sure it's more than we had before with XI, but I still feel it could have been more still.

Just noticed this... Kinda is similar to a blue post.

Currently, each player character or each retainer is allowed to possess up to 999 crystals and 999 shards.
If you obtain crystals or shards when you already have 999 of them, the surplus amounts cannot be obtained and will be discarded, as in the following cases.

·Obtain a new crystal or shard from the loot list.
·Trade with a retainer
·Trade with another player character or in a bazaar.
·Reset a bazaar
*Crystals and shards put in a bazaar will not be counted as possessed.

We are currently reviewing this design. New updates will follow as additional information becomes available. Thank you for your understanding.

I know this isn't exactly what people want but them doing this kinda shit is a step in the right direction in compairson to XI. We would have been lucky to get anything like this in XI's past.

Edit- Also I don't know how blizzard is w/ their Blue posts outside of English speaking support. Which might be why SE does not do anything like this? MAYBE, I know this is a stretch, they don't want favoritism towards one language so they don't bother...

[Dooom]

Yeah, it's kinda ironic that they posted that while this discussion has been going on as it's exactly the kind of thing I'd like to see more of. While the game is still in it's infancy even saying things *are* working properly would be a big plus. We all expect things to be broken, so knowing if something is or isn't - especially with random things like exp - would be nice.

[Lucavi]

Well they don't give you an indication in-game if receiving additional shards will push you over the limit when trading/buying from others, so I don't know if every system is exactly in place yet.

[Cutriss]

Doesn't matter.

Bob Lutz (Vice chairman for GM) Announced they'd be coming out with a new electric Cadillac sports car called the Converj. Had pics of it specs the whole nine. People hounded him for a production date and he cracked and gave one, said it would come in 2012. Made me as well as lots of other enthusiasts really excited to get our hands on the car I'm sure.

GM has since said the car will never see the light of day.

Now I'm angry at GM.

Tl;dr its not always best to stamp a date down until u can absolutely be sure u can adhere to it.

Apples and chainsaws.

For one, a car is not really "iterative development", unless you count recalls. This is a living, breathing product. We're talking about features of the product, not the product itself.

To carry your analogy, what we have here is SE promising us the Converj, and delivering us a car missing the wheels and even with wheels only capable of a 40-second quarter mile. They're telling us that we don't really need wheels but since everyone's upset, they'll look at how they might be able to make it more convenient to move the car.

And Elrina's right, you might have a more productive discussion if you weren't busy trying to browbeat everyone who disagrees with you. I haven't called you a whiteknight, SEDF, or anything (aside from moron, numbskull, etc, but those are all perfectly valid complaints about your inability or unwillingness to read my posts).

Square would be getting it from all sides and languages, considering this game had a simultaneous worldwide launch, would have to translate all of that, then respond to, and translate the responses. That's a lot more work, which is probably part of the reason why we're seeing those 3/4 question sessions once every other week or so.

It's not that hard at all. I can fix the problems in two words.

Hire Elmer.

I know that only covers the English-speakers, but there's a sizeable intersect between English speakers and EU players, so it would at least be a good stop-gap until they had proper bi-directional feedback.

Thing is though - they already have people that are doing this.

The development team apparently has a daily meeting with the community managers worldwide; managers from North America, Japan, and the European communities all discuss the most pressing issues facing the game community.

The problem is that we never hear what the results are of these meetings. We just occasionally get missives about how we're not XPing right and if we don't XP the correct way we might get banned. And namedays.

[Lucavi]

I'm talking about realistic fixes; fixes that SE could or would actually implement. I'm sure we all have dreamland scenarios we'd like to see happen. And Elmer can speak French? Italian? Portuguese? A simple Japanese-to-English translation wouldn't be enough. This is a worldwide launch, not simply a JP/NA launch.

[Cutriss]

I'm talking about realistic fixes; fixes that SE could or would actually implement. I'm sure we all have dreamland scenarios we'd like to see happen. And Elmer can speak French? Italian? Portuguese? A simple Japanese-to-English translation wouldn't be enough. This is a worldwide launch, not simply a JP/NA launch.

See my edit, had this thought as you posted. As it is, SE doesn't currently support any EU languages other than French and German for XI. I expect it's the same for XIV.

[Ksandra]

I can fix the problems in two words.

Hire Elmer.

sad about this a friend of mine who is fluent in japanese and english applied to be an SE translator for the game. He got an interview but didn't get the job. he would have been 1000x better than the guys they've got.

[Cutriss]

sad about this a friend of mine who is fluent in japanese and english applied to be an SE translator for the game. He got an interview but didn't get the job. he would have been 1000x better than the guys they've got.

It still doesn't really fix the core problem, sadly. Since I edited in up there, I'll repost it here:

They already have people that are doing this.

The development team apparently has a daily meeting with the community managers worldwide; managers from North America, Japan, and the European communities all discuss the most pressing issues facing the game community.

The problem is that we never hear what the results are of these meetings. We just occasionally get missives about how we're not XPing right and if we don't XP the correct way we might get banned. And namedays.

[Lucavi]

See my edit, had this thought as you posted. As it is, SE doesn't currently support any EU languages other than French and German for XI. I expect it's the same for XIV.

Trust me, I'd love to see Elmer and other talented people in the community get their shots, but it would completely flip my mind upside down to hear SE making a smart move like that. They've been shooting themselves in the foot left and right lately - I cannot see this happening, as awesome as it would be.

[Meko]

Clearly SE doesn't feel that it is important to have a community specialist like other companies do. It's their choice, of course, but it would be awesome to have a middle person. Rift hired and brought on a community specialist who is active on the forums giving updates and news about things in Rift and beta hasn't even launched. Having communication with your player base is 100% for the good in my opinion. I love knowing the outlook of things or the planned outlook of things.

[Lucavi]

Even if the community guy was just for Japan, and we had to keep the Elmer signal running 24/7. I think its just the culture there, though. Its a resident culture of not publically complaining, and a business culture of not divulging thoughts behind the ideas and general feedback outside of press conferences.

[Cutriss]

Even if the community guy was just for Japan, and we had to keep the Elmer signal running 24/7. I think its just the culture there, though. Its a resident culture of not publically complaining, and a business culture of not divulging thoughts behind the ideas and general feedback outside of press conferences.

Which is why I hope Keiji Inafune can start a revolution and wake the studios up. If he doesn't get a brain aneurysm first.

[Sign]

Doesn't matter.

Bob Lutz (Vice chairman for GM) Announced they'd be coming out with a new electric Cadillac sports car called the Converj. Had pics of it specs the whole nine. People hounded him for a production date and he cracked and gave one, said it would come in 2012. Made me as well as lots of other enthusiasts really excited to get our hands on the car I'm sure.

GM has since said the car will never see the light of day.

Now I'm angry at GM.

Tl;dr its not always best to stamp a date down until u can absolutely be sure u can adhere to it.

People aren't looking for concrete dates or anything that exact. They are simply looking for acknowledgement of the issues. A simple post from the devs stating they are aware of some of the more critical issues; they can even include a bit about it taking some time to put out a patch due to the complexity of the problems and people would understand. As it is now we aren't even sure that they see the things people complain about as problems and therefore we aren't sure that they are being worked on.

[CasualPlayer]

People aren't looking for concrete dates or anything that exact. They are simply looking for acknowledgement of the issues. A simple post from the devs stating they are aware of some of the more critical issues; they can even include a bit about it taking some time to put out a patch due to the complexity of the problems and people would understand. As it is now we aren't even sure that they see the things people complain about as problems and therefore we aren't sure that they are being worked on.

To the post my response was about; u see chocos in the game already u see airships in the game already. Sundi was asked about them and said its a secret which in itself is an acknowledgment of their existence. What more do u want? U know they're coming and if he could give an exact date he probably would.

Sign your talking about something different than my post was referring to. But what issue exactly do u think they've said nothing about addressing? So far the only thing I've never heard them mention is a mailbox system.

Maybe u haven't looked hard enough for the information your after. (And no u don't have to look very hard to see mention of most ppls complaints).

[Dooom]

U know they're coming and if he could give an exact date he probably would.

Are we talking about the same Sage Sundi? You could ask this man what time it was and he'd say something unhelpful like "now" if he answered at all ("we're looking into it" *gazes at wristwatch*).

[Ksandra]

because we have added :

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/997...11#post4174211

refrain from arguing over people's complaints in this thread. This should be a place people can complain without getting white knighted all over the place.

[miokomioko]

Fishing Rod recipes are fucked.

1 Brass Ingot (GLD-5) + 1 Brass Plate (ARM-15) + 1 Brass Rivets (ARM-15) = Brass Reel (GLD-? + Tacklecraft Training)
2 Iron Ingots (BSM-11) = Iron Wire (ARM-21)
1 Soiled Femur = Bone Fish Hook (GLD-11 + Tacklecraft Training)

Then~

1 Iron Wire + 1 Willow Branch + 1 Willow Lumber + 1 Hempen Bowstring + 1 Bone Fish Hook + 1 Brass Reel = Willow Fishing Rod (CRP-15~20 + Tacklecraft Training)

Fishers got hosed big time. Maybe when the Market Wards make a little bit of sense I'll be able to gather some ingredients together, but why are the other tools relatively simple in comparison?

[Lordender]

I think I have a legitimate complaint, what the fuck am I supposed to do to repair my blacksmith hammer without carrying a 2nd hammer because it requires blacksmithing which means I have to de-equip my current hammer to repair? Going to town isn't an option and unless i'm retarded and doing this wrong that means I need to carry a level 1 hammer to repair my level 12 hammer wasting more inventory space that I don't already have because i'm forced to level 4 different crafts and have been space challenged since sept 23rd.

Another bad design by the folks @ SE.

[CrstyCptSteveWitherspoon]

^
Undergarments as well. Only way to repair is npc. That's just dumb, especially when they only have 5k durability.

Tried more party play today. Combat system just sucks. Lag/unresponsive issues aside, this random SP gain is retarded. Duo'd island crabs (conned red) with a thuam @24 and gained anywhere from 20-200 SP for a 2-3 minute fight. Its. So. Damn. Slow. Also tried a full party of Thm, Conj, Gld, Arc, Lnc on Red skeles in cassio; if they didn't kill us, we got 200-400 sp usually, but then we started getting under 100 randomly as well. These things aoe one shotted mages and we couldn't even get decent SP off them consistently. Tried island crabs in casio too with the same setup and got 0-200 SP as well.

Don't understand their intentions here. No casual gamer will hit the level cap in 4 months time, probably closer to 6 months. I'm hoping this patch alters it SP gain a bit.