Random Complaint Thread. No white knighting allowed.

**Elcura** · 2010-10-21 05:42

Why would it warn you if you didn't need support but have it anyway? There are things you can make without facilities, so it stands to reason that within facilities you wouldn't be hindered in any way.

Maybe (and I'm saying maybe, but I don't believe it) higher tier support helps if you required support at all. From my experiences however, I can just as easily make cotton cloth with common support as well as master support (including a random break every now and again). And I can just as easily fail Canvas with common support as with master.

So do yourself a favour and don't get support unless you need it, and stick to the required support. However, feel free to get higher tier support if you're paranoid or believe it works.

**Dooom** · 2010-10-21 06:37

Supporting having no effect or being counter-productive would make no sense at all... which is why it's probably true :/

**Elcura** · 2010-10-21 06:44

I'm not saying it's counter-productive, getting support probably doesn't harm you if you don't need it (I say probably, because this is SE), but if you don't need it, I'm saying it doesn't help.

If you need support, getting support helps, but I doubt that getting guild or master support when you only need common helps more.

Anyway, disclaimer: these are merely my opinions, as if they could be anything but.

**Dooom** · 2010-10-21 08:06

Sorry, I missed a vital phrase out in my above post, I was referring to synths when it doesn't say I need support. Would be nice if they could tell us what these things do.

**Crizto** · 2010-10-21 08:49

I always just get what ever support is recommended. If no support is recommended I won't get it lol.

**Lucavi** · 2010-10-21 10:21

Originally Posted by Dooom

Sorry, I missed a vital phrase out in my above post, I was referring to synths when it doesn't say I need support. Would be nice if they could tell us what these things do.

Telling us things takes the "hardcore" out of the game. Stop trying to make things ezmode.

**Priran** · 2010-10-21 10:26

Originally Posted by miokomioko

You might get better results if you stop getting support for recipes that don't suggest it.

That makes about as much sense as suggesting he's having trouble because he's 4 ranks over the recipe level.

**Lucavi** · 2010-10-21 11:56

^ To be fair, this is what happens when SE doesn't divulge any information. Some people claim that this form of rampant speculation enjoyable, but really?

Really?

**Cureslime** · 2010-10-21 13:45

The glut of crafted items has reached the point of insanity. At this point if they allowed multiple retainers or added a search feature the price of everything would drop to somewhere between vendor price and shard cost. I keep submitting feedback telling them that all finished items need to be BoE. I hope that's a part of the next big update. The only thing keeping prices up is the fact that the value of time >> money. They should've just had search from the beginning instead of setting things up for a giant crash.

**miokomioko** · 2010-10-21 13:54

Originally Posted by Priran

That makes about as much sense as suggesting he's having trouble because he's 4 ranks over the recipe level.

I didn't say it made sense.

Also, I am definitely not alone on this one.

**Lucavi** · 2010-10-21 14:50

Originally Posted by miokomioko

I didn't say it made sense.

Also, I am definitely not alone on this one.

You're right: You aren't alone in being forced to spout nothing but speculation devoid of facts, because SE won't throw the player-base a bone. You are very correct, Mioko.

**miokomioko** · 2010-10-21 14:57

Wow.

**Lucavi** · 2010-10-21 15:04

So your speculations are based on SE-provided information? I'm actually agreeing with you for once.

**Cureslime** · 2010-10-21 18:50

I haven't noticed a significant benefit to using support or higher support on stuff that doesn't require it. At worst it appears that getting higher support does nothing when not needed. At best maybe it helps a little. I still use the highest support available for big money synths since I'm superstitious anyways so who knows.

**Achitophel** · 2010-10-21 19:35

Originally Posted by Lucavi

You're right: You aren't alone in being forced to spout nothing but speculation devoid of facts, because SE won't throw the player-base a bone. You are very correct, Mioko.

Do we really have to find everything out through dev notes? The community can't figure anything out through trial and error and come to a consensus? Come on.

**Dooom** · 2010-10-21 19:42

There's some things which we can find out, but if guild support has an effect or not on synths which don't require it? We already know it doesn't push our level up artificially, but letting us know if it increased chances of a successful synthesis or not wouldn't be asking for much, especially as it's such a PITA to test.

**Lucavi** · 2010-10-21 21:50

Originally Posted by Achitophel

Do we really have to find everything out through dev notes? The community can't figure anything out through trial and error and come to a consensus? Come on.

You have fun finding out if guild support has an effect or not on synths which don't require it. We'll all be waiting for your results on something as entirely un-determinable (through the absurd amount of RNG this game generates) as that.

**Achitophel** · 2010-10-21 23:46

Okay.

**bruiser** · 2010-10-22 00:32

I think it's fine to assume it doesn't matter, if for no other reason than that if it does, the difference is so small as to be unnoticeable.

Remember when in FF11 people started theorizing that which slot you put ingredients into made a difference? That's kind of what this is like

**Sephiroth** · 2010-10-22 02:52

I notice better success with master support on synths that don't require it. But that could be down to lots of luck. Still, I've yet to see a recipe in the game that requires master support, so surely it serves a purpose. And if it's only meant to be used on certain rank 40+ recipes that have yet to be discovered, why bother scaling its cost as you rank up? It may as well just cost whatever it does at the recipe ranks that would require it.

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