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[Iremire]

For items with song recast delay do they need to be equipped precast or at the end of the cast to be put into effect?

[buddha_masta]

End of cast. If it's a straight recast delay reduction, normally this applies to the end of songs. Fast cast and singing time -% are applied at the beginning.

[Diddy Kong]

What is a cheap/quick RDM nuking and enfeebling set I can get by with for low manning?

[Buffy]

So, last night I was told that Martial Master only works <200 skill. Is that true?

I got about 1 level of Parrying per hour tanking 4 Pucks in the Den of Rancor with Martial master and Signet. Skill 214 to start, 217 at the end (DNC85/WAR42, B skill rating). A few .3s, a few .1s and .2s. Is this rate good? I'm tired of being almost 100 skill levels under cap.

The statement about Martial Mastery is correct. As for how fast should you be seeing skillups, I have no idea.

[Motenten]

HP+40-50%, DEX+50, Crit Rate+30-40% (ends up around 50%), Crit Damage+60%... (and not relevant to damage at all, but this would bring MNK to ~3400-3600 HP)

vs

STR+40, DEX+50, Attack+40, Crit Rate+30-40%, Crit Damage +30%

Can't really judge the value of Ascetic's Fury atma.

Assuming: Taipan Fangs +1 (d26), 10 fStr, 41 base damage from skill, total base damage is 77
WSC of 50% str and 50% vit with 220 str and 100 vit is 136
Total d of 213.

If both hits crit and get max pDif of 3.15, max damage should be ~1340. A 30%-60% increase in crit damage would boost that to 1745-2150. Level correction should reduce that further.

I can't find the image of all the results someone posted, but as I recall they were mostly in the mid-2000's (trending upwards with possible DAs), rather than capping out towards 2000. That means whatever estimate I have for damage gained isn't matching what's happening in game.

My first pass through the numbers gave a slight edge towards Stout Arm over Sanguine Scythe, but I don't fully trust it right now. It assumed the above type formulation, but if the weaponskill is getting more damage than predicted then a further increase to crit damage could balance things out between the two options. At this point there's no particularly strong case for one over the other. I would probably be inclined towards Sanguine Scythe just for the healthy HP buffer while putting out so much damage, though.

[diasetsu]

Your numbers are off probably because instead of 320 str+vit, he probably has closer to 500, I don't know my exact str or vit for weaponskills, but it's somewhere above 480 in abyssea.

[Deader2818]

Well, I have a massive amount of time left over after a party in Vunkler, what is an easy mob to solo as SAM/NIN? Murak?

If there is nothing a SAM can solo well, I can get a mage to come out.

[rog]

Nothing comes to mind as soloable by sam. Unless you want to pin and med->ws.

[Deader2818]

Errr, I meant I want to farm gold chests for AF XD

[Francisco]

I have done very little "testing" on this, but my max Ascetic's so far has been 1624 damage.

STR 82 +58 (gear) +20 (cruor) +30 (hero/sellsword) = 190 STR
VIT 81 +31 (gear) + 20 (cruor) = 132 VIT

95 DMG from STR, 66 from VIT, 77 DMG from weapon & fSTR = DMG: 238

Now it's hard to say what happened exactly on my 1624 damage Ascetic's Fury... but if we can assume...

((238 + 238 ) * 3.15) * 1.1 = ~1650... that could be on the right track... I added the * 1.1 as a guess of 10% on the "critical hit damage boost" from the Hero Atma. It could also have been a double attack proc, but I didn't think to check TP return.

Take away 30 STR (15 DMG), and replace it with a 60% crit boost...

((223 + 223) * 3.15) * 1.6 = ~2250

Using Oblit's atma setup (my equip, since I don't know his):

((248 +248 ) * 3.15) * 1.3 = 2031

How does DA work on Ascetic's? Can it proc on both hits for a total of four hits? Because that would bring us well over 4000 damage (he maxed out just under 4000, but really what are the odds of getting both hits to DA and then have all four hits crit for max?

Oblit's setup, 4 max damage crits = ~4050 damage

With my gear and Sanguine + Razed, Ascetic's would theoretically max out at 4999 damage if it lands 4 hits for max crit damage.

[diasetsu]

Can definitely get 4 hit Ascetics, and the odds really aren't that bad. You shoul be around 25% DA with Eve's atma. Also a thing to note is oblit's far highest Fury was on a corse, but I have similar ones on non blunt weak NMs in the 3800+ range.

[rog]

Errr, I meant I want to farm gold chests for AF XD

Should be able to solo pretty much anything then.

[Deader2818]

Ah ok, was just wondering what would be the easiest to solo and kill fast, etc. Thanks ^_^

[Mazmaz]

Does every Bastion Op give fame? If so the Crimson Carpets are really really easy.

[jimbobsonofgod]

Does every Bastion Op give fame? If so the Crimson Carpets are really really easy.

Carpets give fame for sure and yeah they are easy just sucks to do game daily.

[Tekni]

What exactly does Ultion mantle do? Because i counterstanced and then perfect countered observer mobs in abyssea misareuax and every time perfect counter went up, my counter damage sky rocketed to 300+ a hit. and normal counter damage was 170-180. Is PC just a really high damage counter or what?

[chazzyphizzle]

from my understanding, every counter that is a perfect counter is always a crit.

[Francisco]

What exactly does Ultion mantle do? Because i counterstanced and then perfect countered observer mobs in abyssea misareuax and every time perfect counter went up, my counter damage sky rocketed to 300+ a hit. and normal counter damage was 170-180. Is PC just a really high damage counter or what?

Not really sure on Ultion Mantle, but Perfect Counter makes you counter with critical hits.

[Motenten]

As far as Ultion Mantle, I haven't gotten around to doing any solid testing, but eyeballing it seems to be around +10 to +20 to base damage. That is, capped fStr Taipans would be d77; with Ultion they'd be considered between 87 and 97. Then crit with Perfect Counter and you're approaching 300 damage counters.

[Tekni]

As far as Ultion Mantle, I haven't gotten around to doing any solid testing, but eyeballing it seems to be around +10 to +20 to base damage. That is, capped fStr Taipans would be d77; with Ultion they'd be considered between 87 and 97. Then crit with Perfect Counter and you're approaching 300 damage counters.

I was using the 23 damage mantis and i didnt have my faith torque on me at the time.