Random Question Thread XIV: No Not XIV, XI

[SteveMc]

I'm looking to mess around /w MNK again, but I haven't put any effort into the job since the lv 75 cap, so I'm pretti clueless on where to start. It would be Abyssea mostly, so looking for TP/WS sets and which H2H is worth going after~

Nothing on the testing, but most of the people I know (including myself) have the +STR +ATT magian, not sure if it's the "best" but none Empyrean or Empyrean ws+1 I think it's decent and very easy top get.

[Deader2818]

Whats the best combo weapon for blu atm? Not counting Mythic/Abyssea.

[Aerynlia]

Which mobs don't give Ruby in La Theine? Can't remember and need to know quickly D:

[Nightfyre]

Whats the best combo weapon for blu atm? Not counting Mythic/Abyssea.

STR/STR magians. OAT/DA weapons are significantly less attractive in Abyssea due to autocapped fSTR and even more skewed spell:melee split. STR/DEX combo is roughly equal in Abyssea if you're in need of accuracy and/or can make highly efficient trades on it (better if you can't cap accuracy with STR/STR obviously, but... lol), but inferior outside.

[Yugl]

STR/STR magians. OAT/DA weapons are significantly less attractive in Abyssea due to autocapped fSTR and even more skewed spell:melee split. STR/DEX combo is roughly equal in Abyssea if you're in need of accuracy and/or can make highly efficient trades on it (better if you can't cap accuracy with STR/STR obviously, but... lol), but inferior outside.

So you're telling me that sword which offer nothing but attack (Because fSTR is capped) beat 40%DA+5% DA weapons?

[Nightfyre]

spell WSC and pDIF sup

[fredjanx]

Tainting Breath info

.... And this is why one of our stunners couldn't see it.
@Yugl: It doesn't even add attack <.<

[Yugl]

spell WSC and pDIF sup

Stalwart + 40+% increase in Sanguine Blade.

Edit: The STR Swords come with +20 ATT right? That's what I'm referring to Fredj.

[Nightfyre]

spell WSC and pDIF sup

Since there appears to be some confusion. The vast majority of one's DPS in Abyssea (and outside tbh) is spells. As a result, the gains in melee DPS from an OAT offhand don't match the gains in overall DPS from a STR offhand.

[Yugl]

I saw that. I'm just denying the significance of the latter (pDIF) because of stalwarts and asserting the significance of a 40% (Not including DA%) increase in Sang damage as a possible counter to the increased WSC of spells which have 20-32% modifier at most and a are subject to level correction.

Edit: That's not to suggest OAT is superior, but I think it's been given unfair consideration because of the fact that we're used to thinking of STR as beneficial to fSTR, ATT, and WSC.

[Aurara]

Merits for whm?
5/5 bar spell 5/5 cure cast time 5/5 shell V and 5/5 devo?

[Nightfyre]

I saw that. I'm just denying the significance of the latter (pDIF) because of stalwarts and asserting the significance of a 40% (Not including DA%) increase in Sang damage as a possible counter to the increased WSC of spells which have 20-32% modifier at most and a are subject to level correction.

Edit: That's not to suggest OAT is superior, but I think it's been given unfair consideration because of the fact that we're used to thinking of STR as beneficial to fSTR, ATT, and WSC.

Stalwart's Tonic affects spell pDIF? Serious question, I honestly assumed it didn't and haven't checked damage as a result.

Also, <20% gain in SB frequency. Remember OAT only applies to the one hand and you're dealing with increased delay.

EDIT: Even if Stalwart's does affect spell pDIF, I have my doubts that you'd be capping even with it.

[Snick]

Merits for whm?
5/5 bar spell 5/5 cure cast time 5/5 shell V and 5/5 devo?

Oh god lol

Short answer: Pretty much.

[Yugl]

Stalwart's Tonic affects spell pDIF? Serious question, I honestly assumed it didn't and haven't checked damage as a result.

Also, <20% gain in SB frequency. Remember OAT only applies to the one hand and you're dealing with increased delay.

EDIT: Even if Stalwart's does affect spell pDIF, I have my doubts that you'd be capping even with it.

I thought you meant the melee pDIF and spell WSC. I've not heard about BLU pDIF though. I'm sure it exists because of "Blue Magic Attack" gear, but there is nothing else to ascertain the components that affect this pDIF (As far as I've seen at least).

[dawdr]

Would anyone offhand know if Quick Draw is effected by Magic Critical stuff? Trying to piece together a Quick Draw set for Thief and surprisingly there's very little in the way of Magic Attack Bonus stuff I can wear, so I'm trying to fill in some gaps.

[Deader2818]

Does DOT kills in abyssea give pearl lights?

[Yugl]

If the DOT kills the monster, yes; however, killing with the damage from the spell (Say Bio III does 63 DMG) will result in an azure kill.

[fredjanx]

Since there appears to be some confusion. The vast majority of one's DPS in Abyssea (and outside tbh) is spells. As a result, the gains in melee DPS from an OAT offhand don't match the gains in overall DPS from a STR offhand.

k, now my question... for offhand (assuming str mainhand), DEX sword or lvl 75 OAT?

[Deader2818]

Yeah, I thought so, I got yelled at to stop DOTing mobs

[Nightfyre]

k, now my question... for offhand (assuming str mainhand), DEX sword or lvl 75 OAT?

Between the two, DEX for sure.

I thought you meant the melee pDIF and spell WSC. I've not heard about BLU pDIF though. I'm sure it exists because of "Blue Magic Attack" gear, but there is nothing else to ascertain the components that affect this pDIF (As far as I've seen at least).

Testing on Alla suggested the formula for attack is (8 + STR/2 + blue magic skill). I haven't seen any further testing, but results were close enough to expected values that I've adopted it for lack of any other models.