Crafting specific question thread. Moar undyed canvas.

[miokomioko]

What are people's Guild Mark rewards looking like on what rank leves with what appraisal value? I got 405 from a Rank-20 leve with an appraisal of about 21~24-ish. (possibly 100 marks per 5 appraisal for Rank-20?)

Also, I was on Fisher when I got the Culinarian Guild Marks as I always am when I run long distances.

[Sephiroth]

Are marks based off appraisal too?

[Ruin]

Any advice out there for Blacksmith 27-30?

Or Armorer 23-30?

[Sephiroth]

How good is hasty hand with crystal breaks? I really don't want to sit and break 290 wind crystals.

[Chastiti]

What are people's Guild Mark rewards looking like on what rank leves with what appraisal value? I got 405 from a Rank-20 leve with an appraisal of about 21~24-ish. (possibly 100 marks per 5 appraisal for Rank-20?)

Also, I was on Fisher when I got the Culinarian Guild Marks as I always am when I run long distances.

I was given 430 leather guild marks on an appraisal of over 100.

[miokomioko]

Ew. Looks like it's not appraisal... The odd amounts earned made it seem like it may have been.

[Tomino]

This has surely been discussed before, but are you positive that the 3 available supports (Common, Guild, Master) are straight bonuses?

Let me explain, scenario #1 would be:
Common support gives you some bonus. Guild gives you more of it, Master even more. That would imply that, given you have the time and gils, you'd always craft under Master support.
But that would be a little too dumb actually.

This, together with the fact certain recipes require certain supports, leads me to believe that the facilities work like sideway to crafting, and this would be scenario #2:
Recipes can require a certain facility and if you don't use that, a certain malus is put on you (which explains why you can phail a rank6 recipe being rank10 without the proper facility).
So Square sometimes forces you to travel between cities and visit crafting guilds, but at the same time doesn't boost you that much if you keep spamming Master support on anything you do.

[Sephiroth]

phail

You fail.

[Tomino]

So I take for you they're just straight bonuses so whatever I am crafting it's better to use Master support?
I don't care much about "phail" I'm just asking

[qpoiuwer]

So I take for you they're just straight bonuses so whatever I am crafting it's better to use Master support?
I don't care much about "phail" I'm just asking

The most prominent theory at the moment is you need at least the level of support the recipe indicates. Anything higher meets that requirement, but doesn't provide any additional bonus.

[Sephiroth]

So I take for you they're just straight bonuses so whatever I am crafting it's better to use Master support?
I don't care much about "phail" I'm just asking

I'm unsure how the different levels of support work. I just know I can fail a rank 20 leve at rank 30 if I don't run off to another city to get guild support or master support.

I've never seen a recipe that requires master support which leads me to believe it will always be beneficial to use it rather than go with the theory that if a synth doesn't require support it's a waste of time using it. I seem to have better luck on harder synths with master support than without, but it's hard to say whether that is a co-incidence or a result of the support without doing hundreds of test synths.

I just play by the rule that if I'm crafting something expensive I'll use master support, and for anything below me that requires support I'll use the one it requires. I find I can craft an item without support if it only needs common way before I can craft an item without support that needs guild. I can still blow up silver nuggets on my rank 31 GSM without support and that's like a rank 15 synth. That requires guild.

My theory is that not having support when it requires it gimps your synth (obvious), but having a tier of support increases your chance of success on any synth. Guild more than common, master more than guild.

Until SE say something in their ask the devs or someone does a lot of testing we're just guessing. Best to play it safe, master support doesn't cost much anyway.

[Cureslime]

Can't attempt to repair Bone Armilla +3 (rank 14) at rank 18 goldsmithing either. To the vendor they go!

[Sephiroth]

It should be repairable at rank 19 based on the info someone posted recently.

[Elcura]

I can still blow up silver nuggets on my rank 31 GSM without support and that's like a rank 15 synth. That requires guild.

No kidding.

My theory is that not having support when it requires it gimps your synth (obvious), but having a tier of support increases your chance of success on any synth. Guild more than common, master more than guild.

Not from my experience. But naturally, everything said on the matter is anecdotal, so do whatever you feel it best.

Until SE say something in their ask the devs or someone does a lot of testing we're just guessing. Best to play it safe, master support doesn't cost much anyway.

Or not waste money on something that doesn't really require it? Again, you feel it helps you, go for it, but there's no need to spend 1.5/2k every 5 synths because of paranoia.

[Sephiroth]

I'm actually back to being unsure. A friend wanted me to make gem rings for him and I got support. Out the 7 I tried I failed 4. Yet support ran out before I started the third success and I didn't realise. Surely if the master buff was such a good boost I'd have failed that attempt.

Not a good sample size but enough to throw doubt on my "always get master" strategy.

I just don't know what master support is for if it doesn't help in synths that don't require it. I've not been able to check if gold or mythril nuggets require it but it's a possibility.

[miokomioko]

We probably just are not high enough rank to even see recipes that suggest Master Support. It will probably be something required for items along the lines of Cursed items and other top notch, high-rank weapons/equipment/foods.

What makes me more curious about it is the conceptual function of Master Support. Obviously, the way no-support, Common Support, and Guild Support work, it's based on the idea that some items are difficult to make in the wild with no facilities. (e.g. I'm going to have a hard time baking bread in the field with no oven) This suggests a conceptual difficulty via necessity for ovens, furnaces, distilleries, etc. which forces you to make a decision about either have a harder time doing it in the field, or wait until you can get access to proper facilities before you risk the materials. Recipes' difficulty goes from doing them anywhere (no support), to doing them at any camp or town (Common Support), to doing them only in their respective guild (Guild Support). Since Guild Support and Master Support are both only found at their guild... what would Master support suggest it supplies over Guild Support? The assistance of a guild master themselves? Possibly a way to work on boats/wedding cakes with an NPC instead of another player? Maybe Master Support will only be available to get once every game-day/Earth-day?

I just don't think there's any real function for Master Support even in the game yet as it doesn't fit in with any consistency with the currently utilized supports. The small increase in fee is not enough to make sense yet.

[Sephiroth]

Possibly, but then why bother scaling the cost of master support right from low ranks if there's no low synths it should be used on? They may as well have just made it a flat 5k fee or whatever if you'll only use it in such high synths.

[Cjskater]

I don't think support wearing mid-synth matters, probably doesn't actually wear till the end. Every time it has wore for me while synthing, say cloth for example, I didn't notice a difference at all. However if I started that same synth without support I'd likely fail it before 50%.

Edit: Guess I was wrong on gear damage, never had it happen during till today. Cloth requires guild support, for anyone who doesn't know btw.

[Ruin]

Can someone give me a decently easy way to do carpenter 10-20?

[miokomioko]

My first thought would be to HQ some Elm Logs > Elm Lumber and make Elm Dagger Grips > Elm Hammer Grips, Elm Sword Grips... in that order.