Crafting specific question thread. Moar undyed canvas.

[Elcura]

It tells me all of the above. Recipes -> Weaver -> Sort by Level. Hey look, there's an item which only requires Cotton Yarn and Cotton Cloth. The Cloth isn't dyed. It's a higher level synth than Cotton Cloth. I have lots of Cotton Cloth because I just made it. Hmmm...

Not the best example, as using dyed cloth isn't harder, making it is, and weaver has a million recipes that use cloth and yarn.

Cotton Shirt Front was listed as r21 and Cotton Cloth was listed as r20. That means that Shirt Front is necessarily a higher tier synth since one is in the 11-20 range and one is in the 21-30 range.

Which is wrong, because for the EXP you get, cotton shirt fronts are definitely NOT 21. Consider that making cloth, a supposedly rank 20 craft gets you around 180-220 skill per vs a rank 21 that gives 280-320, would you think that by looking at those recipes that was the case? I wouldn't. Looking at that list of things to skill up on, I would have ignored shirt fronts and backs (backs give less, by the way, and are easier to make and give less skill, YG doesn't tell me that even though they're listed as the same rank). Cotton sleeves is listed at rank 20, which it isn't, and gives less exp than cloth. YG would have me believe they were equal, where as a weaver would have told me not to waste my time skilling up on them.

This is no different than posting questions which are easily answerable by searching the forum and then getting flamed about it. Spend 30 seconds looking at the recipe list and you woudl have known about both Cotton Shirt Front AND Dodoskin Vamps.

Again, Dodoskin Vamps and Leather are a mere 1 rank difference, yet the exp they yield is different and Dodoskin Vamps are harder to make, so I suspect that's wrong as well. Leather Vamps also listed at 21 is wrong, and you will blow shit up trying that.

There's a lot YG won't tell you, or is just wrong (currently - as 2 weeks ago nearly everything was wrong, yet it still looks like they're just guessing), so using that as your one stop shop for answers isn't going to work all the time. And this is different from posting questions that are easily answerable, because the questions aren't always easy, or obvious, or sometimes even answerable. We're just lucky that certain crafts up to a point are pretty easy to figure out, but things only get harder and more obscure, and as they do, YG won't answer nearly as much, as quickly as a person could.

I could ask a rank 35 weaver what he made to get to where he is, and he might answer me, or I could fumble around on the internet trying to find an answer.

And that's all it is, finding answers, and asking is a viable solution to that, as is YG, and they aren't mutually exclusive. So why would anyone just use 1 method?

edit: and if so much is wrong and unreliable about weaver, how much of that is wrong and unreliable for other crafts? I don't even want to think about shit like cooking or woodworking, cause you can bet your ass that when the tmes comes for me to skill woodworking past 10, I'm asking first and using YG last.

[Manako]

And that's all it is, finding answers, and asking is a viable solution to that, as is YG, and they aren't mutually exclusive. So why would anyone just use 1 method?

Not to mention that this is what this thread is for, random craft questions, and many have asked these questions previously. YG has inaccuracies and if someone wants to share their past experience they should feel welcome knowing they can help someone else out. If you feel its such a terrible thing to ask, then you can ignore the simple 1 line question-post and go on about your day...

[bruiser]

Which is wrong, because for the EXP you get, cotton shirt fronts are definitely NOT 21. Consider that making cloth, a supposedly rank 20 craft gets you around 180-220 skill per vs a rank 21 that gives 280-320, would you think that by looking at those recipes that was the case? I wouldn't. Looking at that list of things to skill up on, I would have ignored shirt fronts and backs (backs give less, by the way, and are easier to make and give less skill, YG doesn't tell me that even though they're listed as the same rank). Cotton sleeves is listed at rank 20, which it isn't, and gives less exp than cloth. YG would have me believe they were equal, where as a weaver would have told me not to waste my time skilling up on them.

I didn't say it's rank 21. I said it's NECESSARILY HIGHER. If something is r20 on yg (which might be wrong), it's listed as r20 because a) SE's lodestone site lists it in the 11-20 bracket, and b) it probably occurs near the end of that list, putting it closer to the 20 than the 11. If something is listed as 21 on yg (which again might be wrong), it's because it's listed in the 21-30 bracket on SE'd lodestone site. Whatever the exact levels may be, the fact is that the "r21" item is necessarily higher than the "r20" item.

edit: and if so much is wrong and unreliable about weaver, how much of that is wrong and unreliable for other crafts? I don't even want to think about shit like cooking or woodworking, cause you can bet your ass that when the tmes comes for me to skill woodworking past 10, I'm asking first and using YG last.

This is really just extremely simple. I don't understand why you're making it out to be some complicated task.

Carpenter:
Until 12: Willow Chips -> Sell to NPC or use them to level your leatherworking.
12-15: Elm Lumber (NPC for 135g each, so you recover roughly half your investment, which is not a huge investment anyway since it's quick to get to 15)
16-17: Ash Lumber (NPC most of them, or throw in a few Ash Hammer Grips and sell on your retainer since they'er used in many synths)
19-22: Arrowwood Arrow Shafts (1 branch costs 600g from NPC. Just spend some money to stockpile mass amounts of them, synth into shafts, and NPC the shafts for a good portion of your money back).

Total time spent to figure that out: 5 minutes.

[Elcura]

I didn't say it's rank 21. I said it's NECESSARILY HIGHER. If something is r20 on yg (which might be wrong), it's listed as r20 because a) SE's lodestone site lists it in the 11-20 bracket, and b) it probably occurs near the end of that list, putting it closer to the 20 than the 11. If something is listed as 21 on yg (which again might be wrong), it's because it's listed in the 21-30 bracket on SE'd lodestone site. Whatever the exact levels may be, the fact is that the "r21" item is necessarily higher than the "r20" item.

Still doesn't tell you as much as a person could. I could tell you it isn't rank 21, it is easy to make and it is better skill. YG doesn't tell me this. How are you not getting it? How is some vague, incorrect shit that you still have to use guesswork and experimentation on better than asking someone? YG is still incorrect for the most part (see sleeves vs cloth), but I will say it has gotten better. Sorry, but when it comes to finding out optimal ways to level a craft, I will always ask someone more experienced and knowledgeable than myself.

Also, the rank listed is only sometimes true. And when ranks are the same, what the fuck do you do then? Cause I know that Hunter's Green Velveteen is harder to make than a Cotton Sarouel, despite both being listed as rank 30. The problem is accuracy, and while a general 10 rank range might be good enough, it simply isn't better than asking someone who knows what's up.

Since your brain obviously has issues interpreting simple data, I'll make it easy for you.

Carpenter:
Until 12: Willow Chips -> Sell to NPC or use them to level your leatherworking.
12-15: Elm Lumber
16-17: Ash Lumber
19-22: Arrowwood Arrow Shafts (1 branch costs 600g from NPC. Just spend some money to stockpile mass amounts of them, synth into shafts, and NPC the shafts for a good portion of your money back).

Total time spent to figure that out: 5 minutes.

Total time spent trying to figure out how to level woodworker: 0.

Thanks for the info, though. Ask, and ye shall surely recieve.

Also, you apply this to higher levels, all levels, not just the range listed on YG, which gets more inaccurate the higher it goes (low level stuff is always more accurate). Some crafts are easier, some are harder, some are plain vague, and some just get weird the higher you go. But no matter what level I'm at, I can just ask and get just as good, if not better answer than browsing YG. Again, not all routes are obvious, or materials easy to figure out how to get, if they can even be obtained.

[qpoiuwer]

I just went to lodestone and find recipes, which are sorted by rank. By the time you hit level 30 and run out of lodestone recipes, I should hope you have figured out how to synth for yourself.

[Meresgi]

After Arrowwood shafts are people making oak lumber to get ready to make tons of oak masks?

[Zisa]

I never made arrow shafts. From 14-24 I made willow half masks. The failure rate at 14 wasn't too bad.. botched maybe 1/4. That rate may be too high for some, but being a botanist, I had no trouble getting the materials. When I hit 24, I started oak half masks, and repeated the process. Once I hit 34, I will probably attempt the yew half masks (already have 200 yew lumbers waiting on my retainer). The masks are by far the easiest skill ups that I know of, and you could probably do nothing but masks from 14ish all the way to 50, ending with the walnut masks.

[Ratatapa]

Looking to powerlever Alchemist to at least 30

(Currently 10 what is the best way outside leaves)

[Jojimbo]

Start breaking crystals at r11/12 (might be able to do them at r10, have no idea) and just do that until you're in the 20's and then from there I think it's Maple Syrup.

[Elcura]

I would also break the less useful crystals, like water until rank 13/14, then you can start on whatever ones you like. I know some people who have broken crystals well past 25, as they needed all the shards they could get for other crafts. Maple Syrup is great if you level botanist as well, you'll get plenty of Maple Sap (mostly around Gridinia I think).

[Telliani]

I used all the minium I was getting from the leve quests from Uldah until about 12-13 to make quick silver, but crystals is probably best way to go. Just sit in front of the Alch guild shop and buy the sand for 300~ ea. if you have no way of mining it. Broke up all my waters > shards since that one seemed to run out the fastest making random dyes and whatnot.

[Jayhawk]

What rank of GLD is recommended for making brass nuggets? I am rank 8 right now and would like some suggestions on what to grind to reach the rank suggested to make brass nuggets.

[Ruin]

Currently 22 Leather, dodo vamps are still decent so I can see takin it to 23 this way, maybe even 24

How high are others takin it up with dodo vamps? And what/when is the next easiest grind recipie?

[Jojimbo]

What rank of GLD is recommended for making brass nuggets? I am rank 8 right now and would like some suggestions on what to grind to reach the rank suggested to make brass nuggets.

Brass nuggets are a lowbie synth, you should be able to do them at your current rank with support, you need to be quite a bit higher to do them safely without common support though.

If you want to rank up GS then Craft Bone Rings/do leves until you are able to craft Copper rings, these then can take you to r19~20.

[Elcura]

I must have done over 70 weaver leves, all level 20, and have gotten no marks for it. Yet, the first leatherworking 20+ leve I finish gives me 400 marks. Why XIV, just why?

High point of that leve was getting 606 skill points (500 average). God, that was a good leve.

[Gadritan]

Yeah, the marks are so random it's insane. It's never once showed in my log that I earned marks either, but they're there when I check the guild.

[zalasta]

I must have done over 70 weaver leves, all level 20, and have gotten no marks for it. Yet, the first leatherworking 20+ leve I finish gives me 400 marks. Why XIV, just why?

Weaving is my main with leather as sub. Guess which craft I got my first training in? Sitting at ~4950 weaver marks, it could be another 2 weeks before I get that last 50.

[Elcura]

I'm just waiting till level 30 to get my next quest and set of marks. I suspect that I'll get most, if not all my leve marks for LW.

At least if that's the case, I can get dyeing training for LW and have it work for both weaver and LW (that's how it works, right?)

[MakinBaconNeked]

I apologize if this has been discussed earlier.

Does anyone know/have reason to believe that the skill point bonus for being in a party with other people within 5 ranks of your rank applies to crafting? Last night a LS member and I, (GLD28 and ALC29) were in a party and tried doing about 10 "grinding" synths to see if we noticed any difference. Neither of us noticed any advantage, but I would imagine that it would take more than a 2 person party to notice anything.

lol@15 man synthing parties

If it is unknown and some people on Pal want to give it a try, I currently have Alchemy 29 and Culinarian 21 - Cole Slawter - send me a message (usually on about 4pm-10pm PST)

[goodr]

Fuck. Maybe this is old news. I had always assumed the list of recipes on lodestone was pretty much in order. For whatever reason I tested Bone Ring and Bone Harpoon butt and here are my results in order of synths (I went back and did another bone harpoon butt to confirm).

You obtain the bone harpoon butt.
You gain 60 goldsmithing skill points.
You gain 193 experience points.
You are awarded bonus experience points.

You obtain the bone ring.
You gain 39 goldsmithing skill points.
You gain 141 experience points.
You are awarded bonus experience points.

You obtain the bone harpoon butt.
You gain 51 goldsmithing skill points.
You gain 193 experience points.
You are awarded bonus experience points.

If you don't know what the "bonus experience points" mean, it's that I'm in physical level fatigue/surplus.

Forgot to mention that I'm rank 18 Goldsmith. Physical level 39.