Crafting specific question thread. Moar undyed canvas.

**Aratharn** · 2011-02-02 15:50

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I've no idea how many shards gold cost me but even after the shard reduction the minimum I'd use is 6 wind and 6 fire, which became 8 wind and 9 fire when skilling on electrum rings.

Synth I'm doing 43-50 is 12 wind 9 fire.

It does suck to finally get high level in your craft only to have all your profit synths be ~100k for NQ's. But with so few people in the game your customer base is limited drastically.

**Corrderio** · 2011-02-03 00:20

If you pretty much have to do synth things above your rank about how close would you say you should be before you can attempt it at a decent success rate? Since from what I've been looking at there aren't a lot of good synths for CRP between 31-40 so curious about what rank I should be to at least try and bite the bullet and synth Yew Half Masks when I get there.

**Gulkeeva** · 2011-02-03 11:17

Originally Posted by Corrderio

If you pretty much have to do synth things above your rank about how close would you say you should be before you can attempt it at a decent success rate? Since from what I've been looking at there aren't a lot of good synths for CRP between 31-40 so curious about what rank I should be to at least try and bite the bullet and synth Yew Half Masks when I get there.

Get a decent amount of control, get gear a little above your level or close as possible (+1 tools help alot) and you can usually without too much effort make stuff that is 10 levels (according to yg) above you with a 75-90% success rate, just be sure to have stuff like preserve, tender touch, makers muse, fulfillment and such set.

If its something you don't have a book for usually within 5-6 levels is safe.(more control higher the craft you can do)

**Cooleko** · 2011-02-03 11:32

thanks gulk, i didnt realize i had most of those skills to use. I was just staking all my GS ones but now have alch and bs (thinking about lvling wood to 10 too)

**Gulkeeva** · 2011-02-03 12:27

If you can get Lv 36 alchemy hands of the gods, and preserve + tendertouch/maksers muse/fulfillment you pretty much cannot fail a synth unless your really trying (unless its like guild support, requires a book and your crafting at minimum level maybe). The ultimate tender touch you could say

although with a ton of control... anythings possible (and those abilities), need to work on getting hands of the gods myself sometime ;/
friend that uses hands of the gods says even with unstable element explosion, you may lose about 1-10 or so durability, instead of like 11-> 30 or however much you tend to lose.

**Corrderio** · 2011-02-03 14:30

Originally Posted by Gulkeeva

Get a decent amount of control, get gear a little above your level or close as possible (+1 tools help alot) and you can usually without too much effort make stuff that is 10 levels (according to yg) above you with a 75-90% success rate, just be sure to have stuff like preserve, tender touch, makers muse, fulfillment and such set.

If its something you don't have a book for usually within 5-6 levels is safe.(more control higher the craft you can do)

Hmm, I see.

Speaking of crafting how important is control? Currently I use my headgear for control only (ATM using my Black Kabuto on CRP since it gives +7 Control) and wondering if I should switch over to wedge caps instead.

**Gulkeeva** · 2011-02-04 04:59

From what i've noticed... "without" a certain amount of control, you have a higher chance to fail, but higher it is the less of a chance. Its like what your crafting requires a certain amount of it just goes down hill fast. Not really noticeable on low crafts, but when I forgot to put on my hat+hands after repairing all my gear (about 18 control) on a (before sp patch changes) near 450-500's range sp gain craft i couldn't craft for like 4 turns in a row past 50% ish, put it back on and had no problems rest of the night.

of course this will vary per craft (some need mag craft some need craftsmenship and some need a mix o f stats), but for making linen cloth, it was pretty noticeable.

**Windfoxster** · 2011-02-04 08:31

Hmm, didn't know you can get Hand of God at rank 36 since YG put those at rank50. Any idea what do you grind on for alchemist r31? Cause the supply of sheepskins is pathetic, haha. Moss?

**Cureslime** · 2011-02-04 09:21

Probably the 1-->3 lightning crystal fish. If you're paying 4k a fish you're pretty much breaking even whereas Sheepskin will run you around 6k apiece.

**Gulkeeva** · 2011-02-04 10:07

You can do fish, wing glue, or linen dye (its really not too bad if you can farm the stuff or saved it from lvling) but yeah you can get the "Lv50" craft abilities after you do the lv 36 quests.

**madcow** · 2011-02-04 13:20

Anyone have info of level 45+ leather synths? Coming up on 45 and I have over 300 raptor skins and 200 hog hides saved up.. but with the recent patch the SP i had hoped to gain from Raptor Leather--->Straps/spetch is pretty much non existant, especially at 14 wind shards a synth. Anyone know what kiinda SP i am looking at per synth? Or if there is a recipie I am missing? YG says that these synths are a 45 and from my post patch experience, once you hit optimal level for a synth, go any higher and your SP really starts to drop. Currently getting about 250 on fleece and 330 from raptor/hog hide synthsI at 44. I'm freaked out about SP gain at 48/49 with 100k tnr's. have a feeling I am boned.

**madcow** · 2011-02-04 13:26

Also, on "Hand of the Gods" Our LS Alchemist has it and swears by it. It seems like it would be insanely useful for HQing high level synths. 3 Bold attempts with no durability loss {yes please} Throw in a clean slate at like 50% yummy. You'll be raking in the HQ's. Damn that 7 slot cost though.

**Enygma55** · 2011-02-05 00:47

The way they changed sp gain seems to have its pros and cons. The sp bonus gained for every difference in rank increases alot more the farther apart you are from the recipe. But it works negatively also. For every rank above the recipe you are the greater the sp drops.

As a lv 35 craft doing a lv 35 recipe say you get 250sp. If you did a R43 recipe you might get 700sp. Inversely if you perform a R28 recipe, you'll only receive 130sp.

I'm just eyeballing things atm because im only getting ~130sp for R30 locals @R39. When I perform a R15 local @R12 I can push 800sp per synth.

**Kyroc** · 2011-02-05 10:04

It will be good if they implement more high level local leve's and stop low ones coming up. I haven't seen a rank 40 leve in 2 weeks and never seen a 45 yet and I have been 40 for over a week

**Sephiroth** · 2011-02-05 12:25

Yeah the local leves are retarded at 40+. Took me a month to go 45-50 and the 50 leve never appeared once. It doesn't help that there is only one 50 leve and one 45 leve, at least for goldsmithing. I wouldn't worry about the 45 yet because you'll fail it horribly until you're 43 even with gem training.

I've noticed leves that are 10 ranks below you suck now too. I guess it means I will have to spread out my leves even more now. I have CRP, TAN, BSM, ARM and ALC all in the 20s so it's not a problem.

You have to find the right balance with synthing high stuff for extra SP. It probably takes twice as long to skill up on a high synth where you're forced to use a lot of abilities, waits etc. as it does spamming standard on a low synth. So you get rewarded more for your extra effort. But if you aim too high you will fail too many to be worth it. The right balance seems to be a synth that gives 400-500 SP.

**Cureslime** · 2011-02-05 12:28

Do you get fewer marks if you don't attempt or complete all of the synths for a leve? Most of the leves available to me are useless other than their mark potential and I don't really want to bother doing the extra 2.

**Sephiroth** · 2011-02-05 12:36

I don't think you do but it's impossible to say since you can get anywhere from 400 to 1300 marks on a leve. When I'm doing worthless leves for marks I just hasty hand the minimum required synths. I'm like 5k marks short of the last guild item for goldsmithing, which sucks because all leves are worthless now. I prioritised leves for other crafts rather than spamming for marks. But who needs voidsent eluder anyway?

**Cureslime** · 2011-02-05 12:55

Among all 8 crafting classes I only get ~2 worthwhile crafting leves per city now so there are always garbage leves that need doing if I want marks. Guess it's hasty hand time.

**Ruin** · 2011-02-09 05:36

Anyone can give advice for an easy way ALC 23-30?

**Hiroishime** · 2011-02-09 05:44

i did fishes from pond near camp horizon, that way i can do behest every now and then

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