Crafting specific question thread. Moar undyed canvas.

**Carraway** · 2011-02-10 14:26

Originally Posted by Cureslime

Do you get fewer marks if you don't attempt or complete all of the synths for a leve? Most of the leves available to me are useless other than their mark potential and I don't really want to bother doing the extra 2.

Marks from local leves are calculated from a randomly generated base amount that is then modified by appraisal. So, yes, if you complete all of the synths for a leve, you will have higher appraisal, and slightly more marks. Is it actually worth your time? Probably not, unless you're shooting for 200+ quality on each synth.

**blythe** · 2011-02-11 08:17

Originally Posted by blythe

Did anyone ever figure out which DoH/synths use craftsmanship, and which use magic craftsmanship?

Reposting

How do people know whether to buy gear with craftsmanship or magic craftsmanship when they're upgrading? Is it by class, tool, or individual synths? Thanks

**Cooleko** · 2011-02-11 10:31

individual synths. when you get a synth that is worth HQing, just try it with your max builds for either craft or magic craft. you will notice the difference

**blythe** · 2011-02-11 12:44

Originally Posted by Cooleko

individual synths. when you get a synth that is worth HQing, just try it with your max builds for either craft or magic craft. you will notice the difference

Ah I see, thanks. This would be a great thing for ppl to start recording on yg or wherever

**Sephiroth** · 2011-02-12 08:40

So with the new SP increases for synths way above your rank, when should I start making yew half masks now? I was planning to wait until 35 but I think I should try earlier now that the potential reward for success is higher and I'll even get more SP on a fail.

**Carraway** · 2011-02-12 15:40

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

So with the new SP increases for synths way above your rank, when should I start making yew half masks now? I was planning to wait until 35 but I think I should try earlier now that the potential reward for success is higher and I'll even get more SP on a fail.

I switched at 34, where I was getting around 450-700 per success and 100-200 on a break. You might be able to start as early as 32 with the bas-relief iron saw.

**Sephiroth** · 2011-02-13 05:02

Originally Posted by lancaster

I switched at 34, where I was getting around 450-700 per success and 100-200 on a break. You might be able to start as early as 32 with the bas-relief iron saw.

Interesting. What was your success rate at 34? I think I will try get hold of a +1 saw.

**Chimerawizard** · 2011-02-14 02:36

Okay, I am new to 14 and to it's crafting system.

My problem is I have never even seen the option to touch up. I have had synths with 100+ quality and synths with 50+quality and stamina.

My highest craft is rank5 is the issue that I cannot use touch up if I am under the synth's level, because I am not a high enough rank/level or some quest I have yet to finish or something else entirely?

**Hiroishime** · 2011-02-14 03:04

touch up is only for finished items (equips,weapons)

**Chimerawizard** · 2011-02-14 03:11

Alright that helps a lot. Then is it not available when doing local leves?

Only did 12 synths that involved finished equipment but those were all done from leve materials.

Edit: it's possible those low level equips didn't have any hq from a main weapon to begin with. That's probably why I didn't get the option.

**Gulkeeva** · 2011-02-14 11:24

Originally Posted by Chimerawizard

Alright that helps a lot. Then is it not available when doing local leves?

Only did 12 synths that involved finished equipment but those were all done from leve materials.

Edit: it's possible those low level equips didn't have any hq from a main weapon to begin with. That's probably why I didn't get the option.

You only get touchup option on finished materials (weapons/armor) outside of a leve you craft normally, local leve stuff cannot be hq'ed

also randomly I'd like to randomly add that Hands of the gods ability from alchemy (Lv36) is the most op thing ever... if used carefully

**Cooleko** · 2011-02-14 12:34

Upon Gulks praising of the other crafting abilities I went out and collected all lvl 10 abilities/started alc leves every reset. I have to say it has improved success rates tremedously. I am now easily getting 600+ exp without fails across all 20+ jobs (when you can actually equip 3+ abilities).

Cant wait for Hand of the Gods (10k marks to go).

**Sephiroth** · 2011-02-14 13:17

Hand of the Gods is high on my list to get, I've started doing ALC leves as a result of the posts on here about it. It will be slow however as I'm prioritising leves as CRP > BSM > ALC right now and I don't intend to skill up ALC without leves until CRP is 50 and BSM is 40.

**Gulkeeva** · 2011-02-14 13:18

yeah the "ideal" basic abilities for crafting "just to get it done"
Preserve , fulfillment, makers muse and tender touch
(in order)

Hands of the gods infront of all of that, and if you got room stick in the end close inspection (gold smithing)
also perfection from carpenter is a good one if you got room for that.
Some say the "brands" thing is great, although I've not gotten any... considering how random unstable elements can be I didn't really bother with it. Between hands of the gods and preserve most any unstable element is taken care of without much loss and any "hard as hell" craft can be completed without too much trouble thanks to hands of the gods (save it for the last 50% of a synth!).

Thats all I've come up with the ideal method to get hard crafts done, and level crafts at a decently fast rate. I'll mess with making HQ stuff when I get 50 on crafts

**madcow** · 2011-02-14 13:46

When you get above 30 "Assemble" (30% progress gain) is a nice skill to have on your bar. It proc's probably 75% of the time and even if unsuccessful you only lose 5-10% durability. I find that using it below level 30 it is not as successful as if you are optimal level. It has saved me many times on synths that are way above my level.

**Cooleko** · 2011-02-14 15:33

Gulk, dont forget Harmonize, it is a good post 50% ability as well.

**Sephiroth** · 2011-02-15 07:59

Originally Posted by Gulkeeva

and if you got room stick in the end close inspection (gold smithing)

Really? :O

I am 50 goldsmithing and never used this once... I was under the impression it sucks.

**Manako** · 2011-02-15 10:07

Close Inspection only last for 1 round, but it does stack with other abilities. I often throw it in when I am trying to HQ an unfinished product, but I also don't have a bunch of other, better, abilites. The main benefit is that if you find that you aren't using all your abilities this one does stack and is useful.

**Gulkeeva** · 2011-02-15 21:23

Moments like these, makes me glad I got it

http://www.neko-sentai.com/images9ru...0-20-50-70.jpg

gotta love them random unstables!

**Enygma55** · 2011-02-15 22:20

well to be fair, using Hand of God completely cripples your success rate and elemental control. But on the trade off no dura lost and minimal on chaotic.

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