Crafting specific question thread. Moar undyed canvas.

[Sephiroth]

It's still better to wait on an unstable if you're going for HQ because you lose half the quality if it goes chaotic. But definitely worth it for skill up.

[Gulkeeva]

well to be fair, using Hand of God completely cripples your success rate and elemental control. But on the trade off no dura lost and minimal on chaotic.

Not really noticeable, on success rate or elemental control, I've had stuff like that happen on synths that give the exp of a craft 7-8 levels over me before without using hands of the gods after using it so much.

Like for my build, for whatever reason the flashing orb is 75% chance explode and 90% chance unstable element, crafting when its unstable+flashing is like 75% chance exploding for me even without hands of the gods... so! with it active I just mashed standard and every orb was flashing for me but still got through it

It's still better to wait on an unstable if you're going for HQ because you lose half the quality if it goes chaotic. But definitely worth it for skill up.

yup, as mentioned before my goal is to "get the craft done" not really aiming for an HQ till I'm 50, as you can see from the pic the exp from that craft is in the 600-800 ranges, power lvling powers go!

[Sephiroth]

Only problem is getting ALC to 36 is like 3 weeks of solid grinding on I don't know what.
Even though mine is already 26.

[Gulkeeva]

Only problem is getting ALC to 36 is like 3 weeks of solid grinding on I don't know what.
Even though mine is already 26.

26 -> 32/33 = buffalo dyes

32/33 (about 700-900? sp) -> 36 linen dyes
(can go upto like 38 on linen dye probably as its still 400+ sp)

[Sephiroth]

What about the crystal from fish synths?

Dyes seem like a lot of farming.

[Gulkeeva]

What about the crystal from fish synths?

Dyes seem like a lot of farming.

Could do fish too, but I don't fish so I did the next best thing. Most sell buffalo dye in wards in mass for about 1-2K each (or less). Wasn't hard for me to get ahold of linseed oil either.

Oh and another reason I didn't do fish is because the one for lightning crystals were rare/expensive... and I needed it (at the time) for weaver making spools of cloth to skillup.

[Cureslime]

For alchemy in the ~30ish area the 1-->3 lightning crystal fish (Nether Newt and Bone Crayfish) let you skill up basically for free. You can buy them for ~4500-5500g on average which more or less equals the price of lightning crystals. Don't know if it's the most efficient sp/time but there are almost always mats available and it's pretty much free.

[Gulkeeva]

For alchemy in the ~30ish area the 1-->3 lightning crystal fish (Nether Newt and Bone Crayfish) let you skill up basically for free. You can buy them for ~4500-5500g on average which more or less equals the price of lightning crystals. Don't know if it's the most efficient sp/time but there are almost always mats available and it's pretty much free.

The bone scale fish on my server lowest price saw earlier was 8K (up to 14K) ;/
The bot crafters buy mats in mass no matter the price these days and craft all day long ... they've gotten advanced enough now to be near impossible to tell apart from actual people. "Mats" for making stuff has really gone up in price on my server in the past month or so... while final products are still dropping in price (like toadskin harness has gotten down to 15K at one point)

last I looked on one the bot sites, bots now can eat foods/change tools + gear while crafting, give a audio notice if you get a PM and such.

Before you know it, it will be auto replying to chat/emotes/ls messages/getting buff from repair npcs and randomly changing its location every hour or whatever >.>

although its still kinda obvious, since alot just don't respond standing right beside them till you send them a pm and their like "oh hi" >.>

[Purrrfect]

Gulk, dont forget Harmonize, it is a good post 50% ability as well.

Why post 50%? What does it do really? I was under the impression that since I never got a wear message on it, and that if I had something else up and used Harmonize the previous buff didn't drop, that Harmonize was on all the time once you used it.

[Cooleko]

/s is hard to notice when crafting especially if you filter all chat to a different bar. pms go to your crafting log (even if they are filtered to chat log) so you cant miss them.

[Cooleko]

Harmonize seems to reduce the risk once and is not an over time ability so it never takes effect which means it will never wear. If you have a flashing orb and harmonize, it will settle down.... but it comes back 2-3 synths later. This leads me to believe that harmonize needs to be used after risk has established itself for best benefit.

[Corrderio]

Sure seems better than Improvise. Got that last night and really didn't see anything noticeable when an element becomes unstable.

[Windfoxster]

What about the crystal from fish synths?

Dyes seem like a lot of farming.

I did bone crayfish for r31-33. Like what Cureslime mentioned, it is basically free. SP is around 230-250 at r32 and it drops to ~210 at r33. You can probably tough it out and hit r34.

After which, you can go for black sole (r41 recipe). I tested black sole once at r31 to see the SP, it gave me 700+. But that fish is expensive though, I bought for 10-11k/each. Uses 2 lightning crystals and gives you back 6.

[Sephiroth]

50% success rate on yew half masks at R30 with R22 tool, giving 700-800 SP on a success and 110-250 per fail. Not bad when an oak mask only gave me 260, but that was just one test. Trying to figure out when the best time to do yew will be. Seems about even right now unless I got lucky on the success rates. Someone suggested 32 the other day, it is looking like the sweet spot. I'll have Assemble once I finish this quest too which should help with yew.

Edit: Just forget the above.

You gain 211 woodworking skill points.
You gain 200 woodworking skill points.
You gain 330 woodworking skill points.

You gain 269 woodworking skill points.
You gain 513 experience points.
You gain 259 woodworking skill points.
You gain 507 experience points.
You gain 207 woodworking skill points.
You gain 506 experience points.

The first 3 are yew fails, the next 3 are oak success. Seems a waste of time doing oak when there's a chance at 700-800. Fail rate seems a bit higher than 50% however.

It seems these days it's best to start a new synth as low as you possibly can rather than wait for higher success rate. What I don't get is why people used to recommend oak until 35 pre-patch when SP is pathetic at 30. Did they give more SP at 30+ back then or something?

[Gulkeeva]

50% success rate on yew half masks at R30 with R22 tool, giving 700-800 SP on a success and 110-250 per fail. Not bad when an oak mask only gave me 260, but that was just one test. Trying to figure out when the best time to do yew will be. Seems about even right now unless I got lucky on the success rates. Someone suggested 32 the other day, it is looking like the sweet spot. I'll have Assemble once I finish this quest too which should help with yew.

Edit: Just forget the above.

You gain 211 woodworking skill points.
You gain 200 woodworking skill points.
You gain 330 woodworking skill points.

You gain 269 woodworking skill points.
You gain 513 experience points.
You gain 259 woodworking skill points.
You gain 507 experience points.
You gain 207 woodworking skill points.
You gain 506 experience points.

The first 3 are yew fails, the next 3 are oak success. Seems a waste of time doing oak when there's a chance at 700-800. Fail rate seems a bit higher than 50% however.

It seems these days it's best to start a new synth as low as you possibly can rather than wait for higher success rate. What I don't get is why people used to recommend oak until 35 pre-patch when SP is pathetic at 30. Did they give more SP at 30+ back then or something?

the penalty for sp when crafting soemthing near/lower then your level wasne't as extreme.. back then generally 200sp a craft was "ideal/good"

[jwang]

I just hit BSM30, and got Ingenuity. Exactly how good is this?

[Corrderio]

What's the description of the ability? Since all wiki gave me was the type of local leve.

[jwang]

Temporarily reduces the difficulty of a synth. Haven't tested it out yet, but it sounds marginally useful at worst.

[Corrderio]

It could be useful to help skill up I suppose. I wouldn't rely on it, but wouldn't say useless either.

[Cooleko]

Popped ingenuity on 100 crafts and replaced with close inspection for 100. Ingenuity had success 4 more times. If it is having a difference it is negligible.