Closet gay failure

[Kuya]

In the Middle East they kill you, and in America, you kill yourself.

[Atreides]

see? we're all about freedom of choice

[Tricen]

Empty skinbag you're my cumrag.

[Kuya]

see? we're all about freedom of choice

In all seriousness, i don't think there's any place on the planet where there is a systematic study of human sexuality and a wide acceptance of the results of this venture.

And there are certain good qualities in some places, but it's all objectively bad when studied in its entirety. In America, you can have non-heterosexual identity, you can have sex and love someone of your own sex, but you're forced to live in "gay ghettos" and you're still a joke. You're not accepted as an equally valid existence, but simply tolerated and forced to produce communities with others just like you in order to live a meaningful existence. Western principles of individuality and privacy facilitate this.

In other parts of the world you may engage in sexual encounters with people who aren't even gay, but you are not allowed a different identity nor to have a loving relationship with someone of your own sex. God help you if you're the bottom.

The problem is, you need two things: You need a society that values individuality and privacy, AND you need a society that can be objective about sex and sexuality. No society has yet to achieve the latter.

[Atreides]

you can still find pretty open/accepting places in scandanavia and the low countries, although most of the EU is pretty accepting, or at the very least no less accepting of gays than other groups.

and what about polynesia or other places in southeast asia where transexuals or intersex people have a very strong place in society?

My point is that saying the world as a whole is biased is largely based on your own western perspective

[Cream Soda]

THAILAND

[Kuya]

My point is that saying the world as a whole is biased is largely based on your own western perspective

That's not at all what i said. I may have exaggerated, but my point is that humans don't know shit about human sexuality. Generally. And Western nations are really no better. Humans have a tendency to mystify their own creations, so their own culture, values, and traditions seem either innate or transcendental. I don't know why you're talking about bias.

and what about polynesia or other places in southeast asia where transexuals or intersex people have a very strong place in society?

This is essentially the argument i am making. Or one of them. The West, in our case we are discussing the Americas, do not make a place for anyone who isn't heterosexual, neatly male or female, and gendered appropriately. So these people have to form their own place in society, because society does not proscribe them one, and in some cases, rejects or dismisses them. These people can exist because they have rights to privacy and individuality, but things are not okay just because of that.

[Atreides]

we should hang out

[ZarakiKujata]

Seconding this thread not being about what I thought it would be about. I was expecting some story about Cream Soda having to turn tricks for ramen/electricity/bicycle repairs.

[Yugl]

In the Middle East they kill you, and in America, you kill yourself.

LOL!

[Caiyuo]

For one, already posted: http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/992...ids-these-days. For two, jesus christ at all the stop posting.

[Militant]

Ridgewood is about 10 minutes from my hometown...

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Mansla...1567447?v=info

[Atreides]

when are we hanging out mil?

[Ferion]

Ridgewood is about 10 minutes from my hometown...

Same. I've lived by Ridgewood for almost 18 years, never knew they had a large gay population? Then again, the only people I knew from there were the kids that went to my high school. The president of Rutgers sent out a e-mail about the incident some time yesterday, basically just talked about how big of a tragedy it is. Was kind of shocked to hear about it, but apparently the kid had been missing for five days prior to the announcement of his death, from what I've read.

[Deadgye]

Was this the same trap guy /a/ was mentioning yesterday?

[Atreides]

Same. I've lived by Ridgewood for almost 18 years, never knew they had a large gay population? Then again, the only people I knew from there were the kids that went to my high school. The president of Rutgers sent out a e-mail about the incident some time yesterday, basically just talked about how big of a tragedy it is. Was kind of shocked to hear about it, but apparently the kid had been missing for five days prior to the announcement of his death, from what I've read.

I meant that Ridgewood was more gay-friendly, the way you'd expect a wealthy, upscale shopping- and dining-focused town in the northeast to be. Bergen County NJ tends to be a relatively gay friendly place (mostly because of its proximity to NYC) and Ridgewood is more or less the quintessential Bergen County town.

[thestalkmore]

Roommate is a dick, but there are zero legal grounds for a manslaughter charge and what they've thrown at him is a stretchhhhhhhhhhhhh.

[Kwijiboe]

Just goes to show how little we've progressed when it comes to human sexuality. We still behave like dumb little monkeys.

dumb little monkeys don't jump off cliffs after getting gay

[Kuya]

So what you're saying is that we're worse than dumb little monkeys?

[Kuya]

Anti-Gay Bullying Leads to 4 Suicides Nationwide

At least four youths have taken their lives nationwide this month following incidents of anti-gay bullying and harassment. A New Jersey college student jumped to his death from a bridge last week after two classmates broadcast a videotape of him having sex with another man in his dorm room. The students had recorded Tyler Clementi’s sexual encounter without his knowledge. The eighteen-year-old Clementi had just started his freshman year at Rutgers University. In California, thirteen-year-old Sean Walsh died on Tuesday, nine days after a suicide attempt left him on life support. In Texas, thirteen-year-old Asher Brown died last week following months of alleged bullying. Brown’s family says he revealed he was gay shortly before taking his own life. And in Indiana, fifteen-year-old Billy Lucas hung himself earlier this month after also being bullied by classmates.

Seth Walsh, the Tehachapi 13-year-old who hanged himself from a tree in his back yard after years of being bullied, died Tuesday afternoon after nine days on life support.

Tehachapi police investigators interviewed some of the young people who taunted Seth the day he hanged himself and determined despite the tragic outcome of their ridicule, their actions do not constitute a crime.

“Several of the kids that we talked to broke down into tears,” Jeff Kermode, Tehachapi Police Chief, said. “They had never expected an outcome such as this.”
He said the students told investigators they wish they had put a stop to the bullying and not participated in it.

Friends said Seth was picked on for years because he was gay. [...]
Down in Texas, another 13-year-old boy was driven to kill himself because of ceaseless bullying.

Asher Brown’s worn-out tennis shoes still sit in the living room of his Cypress-area home while his student progress report — filled with straight A’s — rests on the coffee table.

The eighth-grader killed himself last week. He shot himself in the head after enduring what his mother and stepfather say was constant harassment from four other students at Hamilton Middle School in the Cypress-Fairbanks Independent School District.

Brown, his family said, was “bullied to death” — picked on for his small size, his religion and because he did not wear designer clothes and shoes. Kids also accused him of being gay, some of them performing mock gay acts on him in his physical education class, his mother and stepfather said.

Billy Lucas, a 15-year-old freshman at Greensburg High School in Indiana, hung himself on Thursday after enduring bullying torment from his peers — just a few weeks into the school year. His mother found her son, hanging, in their barn. On Billy's Facebook web memorial, he's remembered with comments like, "Everyone made fun of him." At least one former student says he made administrators aware of his own LGBT bullying, and they did nothing.

Read more: http://www.queerty.com/billy-lucas-1...#ixzz114mbGEjJ

http://www.democracynow.org/2010/9/30/headlines#1

http://www.uncoverage.net/2010/09/tw...seeks-answers/

http://www.queerty.com/billy-lucas-1...imes-20100914/