2010-2011 NBA Season Thread

[Demosthenes11]

how come all of jordans teammates werent as good as pippen? he wasnt good enough to make them better too?

[Deejay]

Please.. please.. tell me you honestly believe they didn't agree to play together before this report came out? or before the season ended? fucking lol



btw its wordpress because I hyperlinked the wrong article.


heres a nice shiny one with the big four letters

http://espn.go.com/blog/sportscenter...and-for-family

I love how you quote an article stating that Bosh didn't want to play in Cleveland to support the false notion that Bosh wanted to play in Cleveland.

I swear you faggots give Rhinox way too much credit.

[Deejay]

Nah I don't disagree its his ring.


again my point is nigga forfeited any/all chance to be GOAT when he left cleveland. thats all

You can't say this because you don't know what records he will break, how many championships he will win, and how much more or less he will accomplish compared to Jordan. No one should be comparing Bron to Jordan right now, but to say that he will never reach such heights is silly. You or I don't know that.

[Dimmauk]

lmao, you actually went through and found all those guys who played for one team just because you jumped to that fallacious conclusion about what Rhinox was implying?

how cute.

Its hard to Google NBA Superstars that played on one team.

Jordan also played for the Wiz, he cant be GOAT.

[Rhinox]

I love how you quote an article stating that Bosh didn't want to play in Cleveland to support the false notion that Bosh wanted to play in Cleveland.

I swear you faggots give Rhinox way too much credit.

Nah not what I was saying at all

[Rhinox]

Its hard to Google NBA Superstars that played on one team.

Jordan also played for the Wiz, he cant be GOAT.

It's the opposite the bulls gave up on him.

[Tyche]

Jordan could play for Chicago right now if he wanted...he owns that city. He went to Washington because it was p much his team.

[Rhinox]

Jordan could play for Chicago right now if he wanted...he owns that city. He went to Washington because it was p much his team.

I may not have gone to hundreds of bulls games during jordans reign but I do know he wanted part ownership and/or Jerry Krause job. He was turned away which is why he went to Washington.

[Tyche]

Thought you meant as a player. I think we know now why they didn't want him in the FO.

[Rhinox]

It was a packaged deal

[Dimmauk]

Thought you meant as a player. I think we know now why they didn't want him in the FO.

http://celebrityimg.com/photos/KwameBrown9625.jpg

[Gredival]

No shit you don't, but Lebron stated from day fucking 0 that he wasn't out to win A title. He wants multiples. Wasting his prime away in Cleveland wasn't going to do him any good in the long run.

As a Lakers fan here's my perspective.

I really don't think this Heat team is tainted or if LeBron got any rings they would be tainted because LeBron had to move. Look at the Shaq/Kobe teams or the Magic/Kareem ones. Talent is talent, and it's silly to base an assessment of the quality of that talent on whether it was acquired via draft, preying on dumbass GMs, or free agency.

But LeBron still isn't anywhere near Jordan. Jordan wasn't great because he got lucky that the Bulls drafted Pippen. Jordan was great because he was motherfucking Jordan. LeBron doesn't have the drive or the killer instinct of MJ. Remember MJ's HOF induction speech? MJ is driven by the desire to dominate and prove his worth.

That isn't to say LeBron doesn't want to win, but he wants to win for a different purpose. He is interested in LeBron as a brand, and he wants the rings for that purpose. But I highly doubt LeBron feels the need to prove his dominance and greatness to anyone. "Chosen1" tat? The Rise commercial? LeBron takes solace in his personal accomplishments and doesn't feel that a ring is needed to validate himself as an individual player. He said it himself, he thinks rings are a team goal.

Compare that to Kobe. Kobe may talk about how the championship is about a team being greater than the sum of its parts, but everyone knows Kobe wants to win so badly because it's personal vindication for him. Proving that he can do it without Shaq, proving he can do it as the primary option on his team. Underbite mode Kobe is the closest thing to MJ in that respect. I have no doubt MJ treated team failures as personal failures and rings as a personal accomplishment. That's why he was so abrasive on his teammates, that's why he was so vicious in his HoF speech.

Also LeBron said explicitly his goal was to bring a championship to Cleveland. I'm not saying he could have done it or that it's his fault that he couldn't do it (although I would argue that the Cleveland team wasn't as terrible as everyone thinks; Miami is pretty crappy outside of the Superfriends, it's just that having two of the top five talents in the game is huge in the playoffs). But Jordan would have gone ringless trying to backup such a statement.

Physically I think LeBron has the tools to be the GOAT. But Rhinox is right that he won't ever be. Not because he left Cleveland, but leaving Cleveland is indicative of the differences in his psyche and personality that will keep Jordan above him. Had Jordan or Kobe been gifted with LeBron's greater athleticism they would squeeze so much more out of that freight train of a body.

LeBron will end like Shaq most likely. Dominant and great but not a serious threat to MJ's throne. And he will definitely get a ring at some point. Him and Wade together are just too good and have too many prime years without serious talent competition: Kobe/Pierce/Garnett/Allen/Dirk/Duncan/Kidd/Nash are going out the door or gone already, Rose/Durrant are too young, and Melo/Amar'''''''''e are epic fail, and CP/Howard/DWill don't have the supporting cast. Would need a fucking ridiculous imba level trads to get a team together that could deny LeBron and Wade a ring for the next 10 years (and that doesn't include the Knicks)

[Rhinox]

To add to your point gred YouTube his HoF speech. Nigga wasn't taking any prisoners off the court either.


He brought his high school coach that said he would never amount to anything on stage to shame him.

[Man0warr]

Him and Wade together are just too good and have too many prime years without serious talent competition -- Kobe/Pierce/Garnett/Allen/Dirk/Duncan/Kidd/Nash are going out the door, and Rose/Durrant are too young)

Dirk will be as good or better as he is now for 3-4 more years, his game isn't based on speed or physicality, he has only gotten better as the years go by with more experience and developing more of his arsenal. With Chandler and healthy Butler they will be contenders for the rest of Dirks current contract. They will have to replace Kidd and need another Allstar, unless the replacement PG is Chris Paul or maybe Nash :D

Kobe can be 2nd best player/2nd option on a championship team for a few more years easily.

Boston and Spurs are done though, unless the Spurs somehow get rid of Duncan for DHoward.

[Tyche]

IDK if someone could have Jordan's attitude in this day and age, not withstanding a media blitz. It would be a huge distraction. Jordan didn't have to deal with cell phone pics, twitter, and blogs.

But your point is correct. jordan would have had no part of that whine fest when Miami lost 5 strait. He'd have backhanded anyone crying.

[Gredival]

Dirk will be as good or better as he is now for 3-4 more years, his game isn't based on speed or physicality, he has only gotten better as the years go by with more experience and developing more of his arsenal. With Chandler and healthy Butler they will be contenders for the rest of Dirks current contract. They will have to replace Kidd and need another Allstar, unless the replacement PG is Chris Paul or maybe Nash :D

Kobe can be 2nd best player/2nd option on a championship team for a few more years easily.

Boston and Spurs are done though, unless the Spurs somehow get rid of Duncan for DHoward.

I'm not saying they are going to win 8 championships, I'm saying there's no way Dwade and LeBron together don't get at least one ring. Chances are good for 2+. You would need a fucking ridiculous trades to get a team together that could deny LeBron and Wade a ring for the next 8~ years they have left in them.

The most likely big star movement is giving the Knicks CP3, but won't amount to anything because Melo can't do anything but run iso offense, and Amar''''''''e is competing with Bosh and Pausol for pillowy soft championships as PF.

So we're talking stupid Laker fan level delusion trades needing to take place here. Off the top of my head... Thunder getting CP3 for Westbrick and also getting Dwight.

[Man0warr]

Dwight/CP3/Durant would just be ridiculous.

The Heat still need a decent PG and center to be truly unstoppable.

[Moss]

Dwight/CP3/Durant would just be ridiculous.

The Heat still need a decent PG and center to be truly unstoppable.

Ricky Rubio

[Dimmauk]

Dwight/CP3/Durant would just be ridiculous.

The Heat still need a decent PG and center to be truly unstoppable.

If they win, there will be a line of PGs trying to get a ring.

[Tyche]

But will there be a line of PGs willing to take the league minimum. I think Chalmers will probably work out. He's young enough to develop.