2010-2011 NBA Season Thread

[GRT]

what games have you been watching? in two games D-Rose has fucking raped the lakers. they have no answer for him.

http://lakersblog.latimes.com/lakers...ynum-post.html

It started modestly enough with the Lakers' 108-83 win Jan. 5 over the Detroit Pistons, forcing them into 19 turnovers, protected the basket by yielding only 40 points in the paint and holding the Pistons to a three-of-13 mark from three-point range. The effort reached new heights in the Lakers' 109-87 victory Sunday over the New York Knicks, where they held the league's top scoring team (108 points per contest) to 36% shooting. And considering the Lakers (27-11) on Tuesday match up with Cleveland (8-29), the league's fifth worst offensive team, the effort should continue to bring results.

"We're figuring out the defensive system," Lakers guard Kobe Bryant said. "We never really had a system. We've always read and reacted to each other. But I think putting in the system will help us down the road and help us be better. We're just learning."

started after Bynum came back into the lineup, basically instead of trying to stop penetration at the perimeter, they started to funnel penetration to the bigs while shutting down passing lane, and it's pretty when they are executing right

still a new scheme though so some leaks here and there

anyway, Lakers faced elite PGs all four series last year's playoff, who "raped" them too... but... WHO CARES LAWL

[Rhinox]

http://cdn1.sbnation.com/imported_as...me-on-son1.jpg

Try harder son










This is what you gotta understand about Derrick. He hates being embarrassed so much so that it motivates him when you dunk on him.

I can show you a few cases.

Some back story. two nights before he had probably his worst game of the year against the Warriors and the next night he had a great game against the Blazers in which he lost. After the game Batum called out Derrick saying he couldn't defend.

The next game here we see him missing a Easy FG that he knows he should have made but what you don't see is the play before that D-Rose blew a rotation and he knew it.



The result? Dwill had a terrible game

and so did Chris Paul the game after that


It's also not limited to to individual players

But don't take my word for it. I'm not the only one who notices this.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/bal...urn=nba-319011

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/pos...roses-mvp-case

[randomized]

d rose is amazing lol

[Rhinox]

30 points 17 assists


Totally a shoot first PG right?

[GRT]

Totally a shoot first PG right?

Three halfcourt offensive possessions in crunch time. Three straight clear outs.

Rose made them all. Great player. MVP caliber.

Not a true PG.

Sorry bro

[Rhinox]

Three halfcourt offensive possessions in crunch time. Three straight clear outs.

Rose made them all. Great player. MVP caliber.

Not a true PG.

Sorry bro

[toqabowl]

those 1st 3 quarters were scaring me lol

but thank god for D Rose tonight doing what he needs todo to win

[Rhinox]

Three halfcourt offensive possessions in crunch time. Three straight clear outs.

Rose made them all. Great player. MVP caliber.

Not a true PG.

Sorry bro

U as bad as Skip Bayless

from his twitter feed

RealSkipBayless Skip Bayless
MVP-caliber close by DRose @Mil (tho Bucks back-to-back from NY): 10 pts, 3 assts last 4 mins. Strong.

He can't do anything right for Skip lol

[GRT]

What are you still arguing about this for? The guy is a great player, and he finishes games by playing to his own strength.

If Rose can't do anything right for someone, it's YOU! For all the game he's winning, you still want him to be someone he's not.

Stop it.

[Rhinox]

What are you still arguing about this for? The guy is a great player, and he finishes games by playing to his own strength.

If Rose can't do anything right for someone, it's YOU! For all the game he's winning, you still want him to be someone he's not.

Stop it.

Rose scored or assisted on 80% of the bulls points tonight.

[GRT]

Wait, THAT's your proof he's a true PG?

Kobe scored or assisted on 90% of Lakers points when he's on the floor for THREE WEEKS STRAIGHT back in '06. Greatest PG in history or greatest PG ever?



Oh and you should take my advice and stop talking stats, because 1) you don't know what they mean and 2) they haven't helped you at all in this thread.

[Dimmauk]

So I went back and checked out the NBA thread from last year, and guess who was almost absent? It took me pages to finally find this at the end of the season.

I got the bulls and magic neck and neck for third in the east.

I'm glad you finally jumped on the bandwagon! I will say it makes the thread more fun. We needed a new Stee. LOL

[Akiyama]

What's a Stee? Oh god, was that the Lakers fan that was annoying as all fuck? Where's he at, I miss more Laker fans!

[GRT]

Lol, just realized there's not a single Stee post in this thread. What happened to him?

Here's from a Lakers fan who can put things in perspective:

[Akiyama]

I saw that, rofl. God.. Artest, man.

[Rhinox]

Oh man I wish I hadn't gotten to bed early this is fucking rich

Wait, THAT's your proof he's a true PG?

Kobe scored or assisted on 90% of Lakers points when he's on the floor for THREE WEEKS STRAIGHT back in '06. Greatest PG in history or greatest PG ever?



Oh and you should take my advice and stop talking stats, because 1) you don't know what they mean and 2) they haven't helped you at all in this thread.

It wasn't a reply to you it was a statement of fact. Thats great that Kobe has averaged it over three weeks I guess to someone who is basketball stupid that can seem like an amazing number. Can I let you in on a little secret?

Spoiler: show

D-Rose who From now on I shall refer too as Point God has been averaging that the WHOLE season

as to why I think you're retarded and Basketball stupid I'll let the link I posted eariler do the talking for me.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/6...ear-their-eyes

His usage percentage is 32.4. That means when he's on the court, 32.4 percent of possessions end with him either taking a shot or turning it over.


That means that 69 percent of the time he does pass. Unlike shooting guards, he’s the principle ball handler so virtually every possession begins with him.

If he’s passing out 65-70 percent of the time then that means he is passing first, not shooting first. So there's that.

So you're still asking, "why does he shoot so much? Why does he have to have such a high usage rate? Wouldn't the team be better if the better shooters were taking the shot?"

Let me ask you this: How many times have you heard Tom Thibodeau complain about Rose shooting too much? None. In fact Thibs designed the offense for him to shoot so much. Are you actually going to fault a player for being coached?

So instead of challenging Rose for doing what he's coached to do, why not ask why he's coached to do it?

Two things I'm certain of: Tom Thibodeau knows more about basketball than me and he knows more about basketball than you.

I have confidence in saying this because Thibs probably knows more about basketball than anyone alive.

So why is a basketball genius coaching his star player to do a thing that is "basketball stupid?" Just pause and consider the possibility, maybe Thibs is right and the stat geeks are wrong.

The answer lies in the fact that it’s actually productive for Rose to shoot whether he’s scoring or not. The fact that he doesn’t score matters some, but not as much as that he shoots.

And believe me, I know that sounds like balderdash, but it’s counter-intuitive.

When Rose penetrates, he breaks down defenses and causes them to collapse. He doesn’t just draw double teams, he draws triple teams and quadruple teams. Some time's he splits quintuple teams and scores the ball. Teams collapse on him.

If teams don’t collapse on him, he’s going to be dunking every ball. You have to double team him, or triple team him. The entire offense is predicated on Rose being a threat with the ball.

If he never shoots or rarely shoots he’s not a threat. Teams don’t collapse on him, they don’t leave players wide open with enough time to watch the extended version of Avatar.

That increased efg percentage by his teammates is a direct result of the threat of Rose getting to the rim, not Rose's scoring..

That’s why Thibs wants Rose to shoot, because it’s the threat that sets up the offense.

When people look at the other Bulls eFG percentage, they need to realize it's not independent of the rest of the offense. Part of the reason Rose's teammates eFG percentage is so high is because he takes so many shots.

In fact, when he passes out of isolation, his teammates shoot well above .540 from the field, period (not just eFG percentage but FG percentage).

That's really, really good. And don't think that means to the player he's passing to. It's when he passes out of isolation.

Sometimes this doesn't show up on the stat sheet.

The idea is to get the ball over to the man who was opened up by the help defense coming to help stop Rose.

Sometimes he'll pass out, but the ball gets whipped around and ends up drained by a player who received the pass from the guy Rose initially passed to, but that field goal was set up by Rose's penetration. There's just not a stat for that.

Second, people that complain about his not being a "true point guard" need to realize his assist percentage is somewhere between eighth and 10th (depending on whatever happens day to day) and is around 40 percent. That means he assists on 40 percent of the field goals not made by him.

Saying he's not a true point guard is like saying that about 80 percent of the point guards in the league are not true point guards.

While I don't have the data I need to determine an exact figure, I can say that based on his usage rate, assists percentage and the field goal percentages of his teammates, Rose creates something around 80 percent of the field goals attempted by his team while he's on the court, but only takes about one third of them.

now on too dimmy

So I went back and checked out the NBA thread from last year, and guess who was almost absent? It took me pages to finally find this at the end of the season.



I'm glad you finally jumped on the bandwagon! I will say it makes the thread more fun. We needed a new Stee. LOL

It's cute I upset you enough that you would go back and do research(LOL). I Jumped on the Bandwagon three years ago I just never really posted in these types of threads because really whats too talk about being a .500 team and a first round knockout the last two years? I was really excited this year about our prospects (hence why I started the topic) and yes I didn't think they were gonna be this good but apparently I'm stupid because I didn't think they were gonna be the fucking first seed in the east LOL

Since we are looking back at previous threads Found a few posts to be pretty funny.

2008 thread

Spurs will win it this year. Lakers got lucky, Spurs was a healthy Manu away from a another ring.

2009 thread

Alot has happend this offseason, with alot of teams making big moves to position themselves to make a run at the Lakers. As fans of our teams we all know who has who on their teams now. Like the Spurs won the draft by picking up Dejuan Blair, they also picked up Richard Jefferson, McDyess, Theo Ratliff, and Keith Bogans.

why so mad Dimmy? I know its tough watching your Overrated team get exposed but why take it out on me?

[Rhinox]

Just sit back and enjoy guys its much easier when you don't fight it.

http://www.nba.com/video/games/bucks...nba/index.html

[Drex]

you know you're good when people think you're scoring too many points for your first place team lol. sorry but calling someone selfish after a 17 assist game is just ignorant. if it aint broke don't fix it. he's the best pg in the league at the moment so saying he's not a "real" pg is just stupid. if he's the best at it then he defines what it is.
just give him the trophy so this horrible debate over a meaningless award will end and we can actually discuss things that matter, like the playoffs

[Kyo]

So ready for the playoffs to start.

[Dimmauk]

Oh man I wish I hadn't gotten to bed early this is fucking rich




It wasn't a reply to you it was a statement of fact. Thats great that Kobe has averaged it over three weeks I guess to someone who is basketball stupid that can seem like an amazing number. Can I let you in on a little secret?

Spoiler: show

D-Rose who From now on I shall refer too as Point God has been averaging that the WHOLE season

as to why I think you're retarded and Basketball stupid I'll let the link I posted eariler do the talking for me.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/6...ear-their-eyes



now on too dimmy



It's cute I upset you enough that you would go back and do research(LOL). I Jumped on the Bandwagon three years ago I just never really posted in these types of threads because really whats too talk about being a .500 team and a first round knockout the last two years? I was really excited this year about our prospects (hence why I started the topic) and yes I didn't think they were gonna be this good but apparently I'm stupid because I didn't think they were gonna be the fucking first seed in the east LOL

Since we are looking back at previous threads Found a few posts to be pretty funny.

2008 thread





2009 thread






why so mad Dimmy? I know its tough watching your Overrated team get exposed but why take it out on me?

I went and looked at last year's thread to see if you were sucking Rose's dick this much, but you barely mentioned him. So only when they are good, you like to talk about Rose nonstop. You hardly even talk about the rest of the team. LOL. I get it, its called bandwagoning. So when they lose, you go back to lurk mode and/or talk about Lebron again?