Dear websites with coordinates

[bruiser]

universal as in every country uses (x,y) when it comes to maps. And we're talking about maps. And yes if they had the y column be letters it would be 7-A, because it's a map.

Every map I know of uses latitude (y) and longitude (x)

[Ksandra]

Uhh, no.

12345
23456
34567

The first (1'th) ROW is 12345

The second (2'th) COLUMN is 2;3;4

The 1st row and 2nd column is the 2nd item from 12345 -> 2
Alternatively it is the 1st item from 2;3;4 -> 2


x,y is absolutely not the same thing as row,column, they are opposites.

When people give geographic coordinates in terms of latitude longitude, the latitude (which is the y-axis, or the row) comes first.

no no no latitude is horizontal the same way X is horizontal. Your "row" in your example is horizontal. Do you not know what horizontal and vertical mean?

http://geography.about.com/cs/latitu.../a/latlong.htm

When looking at a map, latitude lines run horizontally.

http://searchcio-midmarket.techtarge...213410,00.html

x, y coordinates are respectively the horizontal and vertical addresses of any pixel or addressable point on a computer display screen. The x coordinate is a given number of pixels along the horizontal axis of a display starting from the pixel (pixel 0) on the extreme left of the screen.

[bruiser]

What the... are you kidding me? Of course the LINE runs horizontally, did you know that the line y=5 on a graph is a horizontal line? Have you even bothered to look at a latitude / longitude map before posting this garbage?

Sorry I can't post a better link since I have less than 10 posts, but here you go.

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[Ksandra]

What the... are you kidding me? Of course the LINE runs horizontally, did you know that the line y=5 on a graph is a horizontal line? Have you even bothered to look at a latitude / longitude map before posting this garbage?

Sorry I can't post a better link since I have less than 10 posts, but here you go.

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I'm getting all kinds of confused with this row column bs friend is making a diagram for me to explain it better

I thought the reason for (y,x) was because in FFXI it was (letter(vertical), number(horizontal)). FFXI-2 and all that.

Every map I know of uses latitude (y) and longitude (x)

FFXI used (x, y) not (y,x)

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__...stok-mines.png

you move across/back the letters first (x) and up/down the numbers second (y)

hence B10

[bruiser]

I agree, but that was because they chose to put the letters in the columns. It just sounds awkward to say 7A. For example, chess does it the same way - letters in columns, numbers on the rows. So you can move your pawn, for example, to e4 (5th column, 4th row). MS Excel also uses the same scheme, and as a result they use (x,y) (or column, row)

That's why I used the same example of mixed letter / number earlier, because in that case it's more intuitive to just take whichever one is the letter, and put it first. You would never want to say 7A no matter how the map is organized because it just sounds dumb.

My point all along was just that (x,y) isn't universal, it depends on other factors.

For number / number I think (latitude, longitude) or (row, column) or (y,x), all of which are synonymous, makes the most sense.

For number / letter or letter / number think Letter-Number makes the most sense, regardless of which axis is letters and which axis is numbers. (e.g. A-7)

[Carraway]

Okay, if we're talking about a map of the Earth, yes, people say ___ degrees north, and then ___ degrees west, or whatever. However, latitude and longitude are Earth-specific.

Refusing to acknowledge that (x,y) is the accepted method of plotting graph coordinates, especially when applied to grids representing fictional fantasy worlds, is a type of willful ignorance that borders on autism.

Normal people in FFXI didn't say H-10 because 10-H sounded awkward. They said H-10 because it's the goddamn right way to do it.

[qpoiuwer]

Pretty much all graphs/grids should be read as x,y (except matrices). Maps of the Earth use y,x though.

[Ksandra]

That's why I used the same example of mixed letter / number earlier, because in that case it's more intuitive to just take whichever one is the letter, and put it first. You would never want to say 7A no matter how the map is organized because it just sounds dumb.

you know there are many things in life where the number comes before a letter right? Right off the top of my head apartment addresses and exit signs come to mind.

There is no reason to say 7A sounds awkward or dumb, it really doesn't at all. That's just you trying to prove your point. I can't imagine anyone saying "omg 7A doesn't roll off my tongue right!"

[Trinsie]

http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/2003/zzzjq.jpg

[bruiser]

There is no reason to say 7A sounds awkward or dumb, it really doesn't at all. That's just you trying to prove your point

I'm not trying to prove any point lol. I just gave evidence that shows that (x,y) isn't universal. Denying this is a little odd, especially considering how relevant it is to the situation, since we're talking about maps, and the evidence I gave is specifically related to cartography.

Refusing to acknowledge that (x,y) is the accepted method of plotting graph coordinates, especially when applied to grids representing fictional fantasy worlds

Huh? Is there some kind of standard for plotting maps in fictional fantasy worlds that I'm not aware of? Could you link me to it?

Pretty much all graphs/grids should be read as x,y (except matrices). Maps of the Earth use y,x though.

So except where you shouldn't, you should use (x,y). Thanks captain obvious.

stuff

Yea, it's pretty simple stuff, but you're forgetting the part where ESPECIALLY in grids representing fictional fantasy worlds, that system is just totally stupid and nonsensical and you've have to have horse's testicles for brains to think it makes any sense. Right?

[Carraway]

No, Rain Man, you're wrong.

[Ksandra]

there's it is. Can always rely on trinsie to help me when I can't put my words in correctly.

[edit]

I'm not trying to prove any point lol. I just gave evidence that shows that (x,y) isn't universal. Denying this is a little odd, especially considering how relevant it is to the situation, since we're talking about maps, and the evidence I gave is specifically related to cartography.

you might want to stare at trinsie's diagram for a minute and hopefully you'll figure it out.

[Yathatguy]

X, Y AHAHAH! Ksandra pooooooned!

You guys talking about two different things. I'm on the same page I think with both of you.

FOR MAPS!

Latitude yes is a horizontal line but denotes Ksandra's "collumns" as it references north/south coordinates.
Longitude is vertical lines and is Ksandra's "row" but references east/west orientation.

On maps the north/south (latitude) always comes first followed by the east/west (longitude).

I would post a link but damn...the man.

[Vuitton]

Uhh, no.

12345
23456
34567

The first (1'th) ROW is 12345

The second (2'th) COLUMN is 2;3;4

The 1st row and 2nd column is the 2nd item from 12345 -> 2
Alternatively it is the 1st item from 2;3;4 -> 2


x,y is absolutely not the same thing as row,column, they are opposites.

When people give geographic coordinates in terms of latitude longitude, the latitude (which is the y-axis, or the row) comes first.

Regardless, a row is horizontal and a column is vertical, by definition. Coordinates on a graph are read by the x-axis / horizontal plane first. When reading geographic coordinates via latitude/longitude the order doesn't matter because each coordinate is followed by its direction. 40N 118W can be 118W 40N. The directions orient the reader.

[Ksandra]

X, Y AHAHAH! Ksandra pooooooned!

You guys talking about two different things. I'm on the same page I think with both of you.

FOR MAPS!

Latitude yes is a horizontal line but denotes Ksandra's "collumns" as it references north/south coordinates.
Longitude is vertical lines and is Ksandra's "row" but references east/west orientation.

On maps the north/south (latitude) always comes first followed by the east/west (longitude).

I would post a link but damn...the man.

WHY ARE YOU NOT ON VENT RATMAN?

[Yathatguy]

Cause! I'm laughing at you from here! Waiting on a phone call that could take a bit to sort through. I'll be on soon pepperoni nipples just wait.

[bruiser]

you might want to stare at trinsie's diagram for a minute and hopefully you'll figure it out.

Trinsie's diagram is exactly what I've been saying all along. latitude=y, longitude=x. (21,11) = (y,x) = (latitude,longitude) = makes perfect sense

[Vuitton]

FF doesn't use latitude/logitude so lets stop acting like we should be reading the map as if it were organized as such. It uses X and Y coordinates. Its a fucking graph. Latitude and Longitude only work with speherical geographies because there is an equator and four hemispheres to break shit into degrees and minutes which allow people correctly navigate as they can maintain orientation.

[Yathatguy]

LOL Bruiser I got you! You guys are talking about the same thing but you are labeling latitude as Y instead of just saying north/south dealy deally DEALLLY Dohickey or "X". All you guys gotta say is LEFT SIDE (UP/DOWN) FIRST! Then top side (LEFT/RIGHT). Can call it latitude/longitude or an x,y as much as you want as long as you concede that X=Latitude for maps.

[Carraway]

I refer to fictional fantasy worlds because we have an obvious precedent in FFXI and also to point out the fact that latitude and longitude only apply to maps of EARTH because they are measurements of specific distances on EARTH. You cannot transpose Earth onto a simple grid and assume that the geographical concepts apply. Treat a grid like a grid.