help debate global warming is fake

[Ksandra]

So I'm tutoring a student right now, and tomorrow she has to do a debate on global warming. She has to be on the side that says it's not real.

Unfortunately looking stuff on google is overwhelming about it being real. And the only parts that I can find against it are mostly just saying, "there is not enough evidence!". She can't say that for three minutes though.

Anyone know of a non-retarded tinfoil hat site that tries to disprove it with some good info that I can use to help her create a debate speech for it?

Many thanks in advance.

[Heavencloud]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...global_warming

[Plow]

Best bet has to be to approach it from the "It's not caused by humans" angle, but even that is going to be tough to sound reasonable on.

[Ksandra]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...global_warming

ooo thanks that's going to help a lot

Best bet has to be to approach it from the "It's not caused by humans" angle, but even that is going to be tough to sound reasonable on.

ya we both already know she's not going to win the debate, but she has to at least do a good job to get a good grade. I guess I'll have to look for the "naturally occurring things" mentioned in studies

[Miroku_Asura]

If they have trouble arguing against its existence, I would tell them to develop a character and just have fun with it. Acting like an ignorant person and pretending all of the facts you have are 100% true is a lot of fun

[Atreides]

if I was going to argue against global warming, I'd make the argument that it doesn't matter that we caused it and we don't need to do anything about it, because it's already too late anyway

[Falaras]

Global warming is never mentioned in the bible therefor it is fake.

[Ksandra]

If they have trouble arguing against its existence, I would tell them to develop a character and just have fun with it. Acting like an ignorant person and pretending all of the facts you have are 100% true is a lot of fun

they're an exchange student failing the class, not such a good idea. XD

[Heavencloud]

they're an exchange student failing the class, not such a good idea. XD

Exchange students can fail? Is this college or high school? lol

[SephYuyX]

Global warming is a sham.

[Blarg]

They should probably bring up points that are outside the mainstream arguments so the students listening don't already know the counterpoints based on how common they are. Probably look into evidence of past climates that were warmer than it is now.

Use misleading statistics or cherry picked data. If you pick your dates right and don't point out the dishonesty of what you are doing you can say that the past 10 years were cooling. Exploit short term temperature cycles that exist outside of long term global warming like La nina and the pacific decadal oscillation /ocean currents that can produce cooling on a large scale and just pretend that this isn't a temporary change or cycle.

Depending on how old these kids are you can probably gloss over the 'global' part of climate change and talk about more localized parts of the world that are experience colder temps or be extra silly and bring up snow storms in places that are usually too warm for that.

[Ksandra]

Exchange students can fail? Is this college or high school? lol

high school. She's Chinese, and her English is terrible. She often skips meeting with me and then I have about 2 hours to try and help her prepare for like 3 tests and an essay assignment or something. She was basically failing in school in china and came here to get away from her parents lol.

[Kerberoz]

Chewbacca defense.

[Yabby]

Can always count on penn/teller

[Plow]

Thanks to blarg all I can think is that you should have her do this:

[Ksandra]

Thanks to blarg all I can think is that you should have her do this:

oh man, I'm no longer with her now but next time we meet I'm going to show her it. Hopefully she'll get it lol

[Souj]

We are currently in an Ice Age. Things are getting "warmer" and the ice caps are "melting" because we are more steadily exiting the ice age, which is the natural thing to happen as the planet has gone through several different ice ages over the course of its lifetime.

that might work... maybe?

[Ryany]

I'd look into if there have been any changes with the sun the last 100/1,000/10,000 years.

[Tristam]

Ok, I'm one of the strongest supporters of the science behind global warming, and I'm reluctant to toss this out here because I know fool is going to think this is evidence that global warming is fake, but debates aren't won based on facts or evidence, they're won based on persuasion and rhetoric, so here goes:

There was a recent paper in a statistics journal by McShane and Wyner that uses different methods to estimate the errors associated with model-based proxy data. There are large flaws in the paper, and they cite other papers that are of dubious merit or grey-literature (not peer reviewed), but the bottom line of the paper from my very limited understanding is that if you use alternative methods of statistical analysis the errors in paleontological data are increased such that it becomes more difficult to say with statistical certainty that the current period of global warming is unnatural. Put another way, by increasing the error in historical data based on proxies, it is more difficult to determine whether or not anomalous warming consistent with current trends happened in the past. One of the major points about paleoclimate data is that current warming is highly anomalous, and unique in recent history. The paper does not provide any justification for their new method, so right now people are a bit confused, and it's a pretty recent work, so I haven't read up on any rebuttals.

Paleoclimate is just one of many many lines of evidence supporting global warming, so I'm sad to say your student drew the short end of the stick in this debate, but since it's a debate, you're not constrained by scientific accuracy.

[Tristam]

Anyone know of a non-retarded tinfoil hat site that tries to disprove it with some good info that I can use to help her create a debate speech for it?

I just want to point out that I'm afraid the site you're looking for doesn't exist, most denialist sites that are even remotely sane bury their reasoning in really obscure language and the commenters as well try to jargonize everything so you're probably not going to get very far in short time. I think your best bet is to try to be persuasive and stay away from scientific data. If the debate was proposed in such a way as to argue about whether or not AGW is occurring, that's a really bad/lazy/ignorant thing to do from the part of the teacher. Far better to debate on consequences of climate change, that at least is an honest question with a less concrete answer with multiple debatable sides. Maybe you can work that into your students argument? That beyond temperature change and certain other things, it's very difficult to predict what the consequences of climate change on society will be.

edit: didn't realize this was from yesterday and it's too late now lol. My bad.