Determining Exact Synthesis Levels

[bruiser]

BTW, now that we know D=10, it would be interesting to get right on the threshold of one of the synths we know about, take varying levels of guild support, and see if you can perform the synth.

We already know that Iron Arrowheads can now be synthed at 20 but not 19. So Enygma, assuming you are still 19, can you take the 3 different levels of support and see if any of them allow you to attempt the synth? This would tell us if support had a level boosting component to it.

[Enygma55]

Tested all 3 supports and none allowed me to craft the Iron Arrowheads, so safe to say they dont grant lvs to your craft in that sense.

[Cjskater]

Sooo...

Undyed Canvas - Rank 28 - not attempt-able until rank 19 if I remember right
Canvas Hat - Rank 37 - wasn't able to attempt it until rank 28 and even then it wants more than 15 leatherworker

Did I get that right? Explains why this shit is so hard if so.

[bruiser]

If the first level you can attempt it is X, then the level is X+10. So 29 and 38. But yea, that's probably why it's hard

[zalasta]

Considering it's already been known that hempen cloth is 9 and cotton cloth is 19, it's not that much of a stretch for canvas to be 29. As for canvas hat, the fact is hempen hat is ~16, since cotton is skipped I imagine canvas is another 20 ranks above that at least.

Anyway, nice methodical way of finding out the ranks of recipes. I've already posted a while back (in the other crafting thread) that you couldn't craft anything more than 10 ranks above you, good to see it confirmed by a different procedure. I used XP gain as a measure to figuring out the synthesis level.

[bruiser]

Could you link the post where you mentioned the 10 ranks above thing? Wish I had seen that earlier lol.

[Purrrfect]

Nice stuff. The real work once we get rank numbers for recipes will be rating how hard they are with respect to their rank, as cloth is considerably more of a pita than most other weaver synths. Also, we'll never be able to get a number for things under rank 12.

[bruiser]

Nice stuff. The real work once we get rank numbers for recipes will be rating how hard they are with respect to their rank, as cloth is considerably more of a pita than most other weaver synths. Also, we'll never be able to get a number for things under rank 12.

I've been thinking about this, and it might be possible. Once we know the exact level of synths 12 and greater, it might be possible to correlate this with skill gain. For example, maybe there's a sliding "skill window" that corresponds to each level difference that gets smaller and smaller. Just an example with made up numbers:

D=10 : [350-425]
D=9 : [330-410]
D=8 : [310-395]

etc.

You could use this to narrow down the level range. This is all speculation of course, but my point is that it's not *totally* hopeless to find levels of items below 12. It will just require more research

[zalasta]

I've been thinking about this, and it might be possible. Once we know the exact level of synths 12 and greater, it might be possible to correlate this with skill gain. For example, maybe there's a sliding "skill window" that corresponds to each level difference that gets smaller and smaller. Just an example with made up numbers:

D=10 : [350-425]
D=9 : [330-410]
D=8 : [310-395]

etc.

You could use this to narrow down the level range. This is all speculation of course, but my point is that it's not *totally* hopeless to find levels of items below 12. It will just require more research

I would advise against using SP gain as a measure for rank. The reason is because SP gain can stay in the same range even after you rank up a few times. XP gain, however, will always decrease. That's the measure I used, and it's the one I'd recommend.

Could you link the post where you mentioned the 10 ranks above thing? Wish I had seen that earlier lol.

Here you go