FFXIV Flame Wars Thread: because ten threads is not enough threads

[bruiser]

I didn't start playing FFXI until 2006, so it's possible I just never heard about it, but were there actually bots/hacks that fabricated items in a player's inventory? I can see the need to keep a lot of things away from client side, but it seems they've gone a little bit overboard.

It doesn't matter what the game does on the client side. You can fabricate items into the players inventory all you want, if the server validates the USE of the item for actions that would result in player progression, that's all that needs to happen. You can give yourself 1,000,000,000 gil, but if you buy something on Auction, or spend the gil somehow, THEN it needs to check with the server.

That's why all this crap is redundant. You should literally be able to get to the very last step in the crafting process before it brings up the mini-game with instant menus. That step should validate everything at once, and you start crafting. Furthermore, most of the menus are redundant and can be removed. We don't need 8 different confirmation windows.

[Ksandra]

Rip each others faces off.

Feel free to flame bait/yell/swear/rape each other.

Only rule is no post count spamming or insane offtopic bs (ie. last night's episode of Family Guy). This will result in a 1 day ban. (or more for repeated offenses).

DO NOT report posts in this thread unless someone is breaking the rule above. If you report someone for anything outside of spamming/bot you will get a slap.

Feel free to bitch about people bitching about people that bitch in threads.

[Cutriss]

4.0

[Hyan]

Will this somehow prevent other threads from becoming shit fests?

You gonna ban people for flame baiting or something?

[Ksandra]

Will this somehow prevent other threads from becoming shit fests?

You gonna ban people for flame baiting or something?

that's the basic idea. for the most part shit flame posts will get move to here as well.




except the brp thread. I'm not going through that.

[Katlan]

posting in epic bread

http://www.ff14jp.net/photo/img/89_2.jpg

[Trigun]

Friggin FFXI-HD wheres the SAM class!?!?!? http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e61/kminus/hg.gif

[Antithesis]

Ksandra, can you updated the OP with the link to the reviews + the overall score just to keep track of how it is getting scored from the major gaming publications?

[Priran]

hooray for stupid bullshit moderation

[person2007]

posting in epic bread

Spoiler: show

http://www.ff14jp.net/photo/img/89_2.jpg

Fucking lol'd at the dates

[Syntex]

posting in epic bread

Spoiler: show

http://www.ff14jp.net/photo/img/89_2.jpg

Hahaha..

I laughed harder then I should have.

[Ksandra]

Ksandra, can you updated the OP with the link to the reviews + the overall score just to keep track of how it is getting scored from the major gaming publications?

except the brp thread. I'm not going through that.

^

[Selamis]

Fucking lol'd at the dates

Same lol.

[Antithesis]

^

I'll post the links here if you want. SHOULDENT BE TOO HARD.

[Ksandra]

I'll post the links here if you want. SHOULDENT BE TOO HARD.

this isn't a game reviews thread in particular, so there's no reason to put them into the op. Feel free to post them and let people respond to them though.

[Correction]

this isn't a game reviews thread in particular, so there's no reason to put them into the op. Feel free to post them and let people respond to them though.

You just locked the thread where people were doing just that. How is this an improvement?

[Riposte]

I always get screwed

[Ksandra]

You just locked the thread where people were doing just that. How is this an improvement?

I never said you can't use it the same way if you want to. But it's not specific to that thread.

I also added a rule to the random complaint thread to stop the white knighting in there as well.

[edit]

http://consolepress.com/main/2010/10...o-avoid-ffxiv/

Ten Reasons to Avoid FFXIV

Final Fantasy XIV was announced as a timed PS3 exclusive back at E3 2009, and wowed attendees with its spectacular graphics and promise of showing just how polished and enthralling a cross-platform MMO could be. Fast forward to 2010, and the final product is an absolute mess, with Square Enix going as far as to encourage media outlets to NOT review their game. Here’s 10 reasons why this happened.
1. User Interface

It’s not common for a game’s installation and setup process to be indicative of the experience as a whole, but that’s exactly what happens with FF XIV. The troublesome patching system and signup process are about as unfriendly as it gets, and it only goes downhill from there. There’s no way to open up something as simple as an item menu with the click of a button; you need to physically navigate through the menu in order to do this simple task. And if you want quick access, you need to create macros from scratch to build your own shortcuts.
2. Game Options

Of course, if you’d like to adjust your graphics settings, you actually have to quit the game and do this typically simple task from the main menu. Then there’s the nickle-and-diming. The $10 monthly fee only grants you access to the game. If you want an actual character slot, that’s an additional $3 a month per slot. Square Enix should actually be investigated by consumer protection groups for pulling this kind of stunt.
3. Lack of Direction

Video games are famous for the fact that the first few minutes of gameplay typically walks players through the ins and outs of the game world, as well as what their goals are. Final Fantasy XIV, however, avoids teaching players the skills they need to navigate the game, instead opting to let players figure everything out on their own and smack them when they do something ‘wrong’. If you wander off in the wrong direction, the game respawns you where you started and tells you that you left the zone instead of where to actually go.
4. Shopping is a Pain

When it comes to getting new gear or obtaining important items, you’ll be hit with a torrent of design screwups that waste your time. Though a few NPC vendors are labeled on the map, the majority are not. Located in merchant strips, these vendors have zero visual indication of what they sell, and until you remember which vendor offers what you’ll find yourself clicking on each one in hopes that they have something of interest. Player-based transactions require that you place the items you’d like to sell in a “retainer”, a character who acts as your store front. Once you find the market ward (which isn’t visible on the map), you place your retainer there and begin shopping around with other retainers. And yes, you need to visit each retainer one by one if you hope to purchase something.
5. Traveling is a Bigger Pain

Eorzea may have chocobo stables and airship docks, but those transportation methods haven’t been implemented yet. You’ll need to either hike to your destinations, or teleport using Anima. And unfortunately, Anima takes a long time to earn. This is an easy fix via patching, so hopefully Square Enix fixes this minor detail soon.
6. Repetitive Enemies

This is one issue that highlights a possible lack of resources within the development team, which is that you’ll see a lot of the same enemies over and over. I know it’s expensive to design custom creatures, but MMOs offer hundreds, if not thousands of hours of gameplay, and thus these games need to have a massive amount enemies to encounter so that the experience stays fresh. Even 30 hours in, you’ll still fight the same rats and birds that you fought in the first few hours.
7. Inaccurate Enemy Indicators

The designers were kind enough to include blue and red enemy indicators to highlight which enemies are pushovers and which are challenging. What’s funny is that these indicators are often inaccurate, with ‘easy’ enemies putting up a strong fight, or even killing you, and ‘hard’ enemies being dominated in no time. Again, a patch would easily fix this. It’s just hard to say whether Square Enix thinks this is even a problem, considering the game shipped like this.
8. Crappy Combat

If you have a tendency to want to keep party members alive, you may want to rethink that strategy. Group battles are undoubtedly more fun thanks to the cool animations and sound effects, but the game doesn’t consistently reward players for taking on support roles. Experience points are calculated based on player rank and whether a target is taking damage. And what’s weird is that the game doesn’t distinguish between enemies and fellow players, instead requiring you to cycle through every target (both friend and foe), which is very messy. You can’t click on a group member’s name to cast a spell on them, and while you can design macros to overcome some of these issues, you shouldn’t have to.
9. The Quests

In addition to the story tasks, the player receives levequests from the local guilds. These don’t include any sort of character development or story progression, and are pretty barebones. It’s obvious that the development team was asked to design simple tasks, such as killing a certain number of creatures. And while it is fairly lazy design, what sucks is that you’re limited to only eight levequests every 36 hours, despite the fact they sometimes take minutes to complete. The limitation indicates that the team felt players were doing too many levequests, but what would have really fixed the problem is if levequests were more complex and possibly integrated with the story, even on a superficial level.
10. Communication Issues

Group members are visible as blue dots on the game’s minimap, but the game doesn’t let you zoom in and out of the maps (believe that crap) and the main map doesn’t identify group members at all. Thus, you better clearly communicate to your party where you should all meet up, otherwise you may be split up for good. Some may argue this is “more realistic”, but really it’s just stupid. There’s party chat in the game, but the developer made this feature a pain to use via the Linkshell system. Linkshells are chat channels that require you to invite people into those channels. But in order to be invited to a chat channel, or invite someone else, you need to be within interaction range. If you’d like to group up with someone, you’ll also have to be within interaction range (i.e. clicking distance).

The game’s a mess, but this is just the PC version at the moment. Square Enix is still hard at work on the PS3 and Xbox 360 versions. The PS3 version has a solid release date, but the 360 version may be in limbo due to Xbox Live. Either way, we can’t recommend this title until Square Enix creates more content for the title, changes some odd design choices, and recognizes the fact that monthly fees shouldn’t include character slots.

[Gwynplaine]

I think its a mistake for forums to host these "flame war" type threads like ffxiah and KI have. You're just sanctioning and fostering all the kinds of idiots who enjoy childish bickering. Anyways, theres them there 2 cents.

[Galkaeater]

This is the worst game I have ever played and I've played FFXI.