FFXIV Flame Wars Thread: because ten threads is not enough threads

[miokomioko]

Assumptions/predictions.

[Charismatic]

The core of the game staying the same isn't an assumption and that's where some of the problems lie, brah.
I don't have to assume that you're still going to need serverside checks every time you do anything in your inventory which will cause lag (no matter how slight it may become, though it will likely stay as it is now... enjoy ur sellin', etc) because that's just how the game was made.

[Achitophel]

NEVAR REACTIVATE!

[Thuronn]

So I just got on after a week and I literally had to try and do the first levequest.

I'm tapping out, done.

[Baha]

Logged on, went to check market wards for body armour. Checked 30 bazaars in clothiers den, 6 people had body armour in bazaar. With the emphasis on player created materials and items, you'd think they'd be in a hurry to implement a system where players can exchange items easily and quickly. Two months+ down the line: still no dice. Sigh. ._.

[Lordender]

So I just got on after a week and I literally had to try and do the first levequest.

I'm tapping out, done.

Yep, SE made the most un-fun game i've probably EVER played since gaming on the NES in the mid 80's. The game has serious fundamental issues that I just don't even care how much the game gets patched, what content gets put out because SE is lazy and no amount of messages from the director or dev team is going to change my mind. You had critical bugs reported on the BETA forums since july, fucking july, a forum that was supposed to be monitored by SE yet just about every single one of those bugs made it to retail.

Exp bug from a three + man party was reported in ALPHA, pre-june and spammed over and over again up until almost 3+ weeks into retail until it got corrected on oct 8th, thats a pathetic response from a company that constantly says they're listening. None of the shit they promised is true, I don't know how this game didn't get labeled as false advertising from previous interviews before the alpha even started. They said repeatedly how this game was all about for the casual player, how surplus was intended to allow casuals to keep up with the hardcore, there was not going to be levels and the game would be seamless, all of that was 100% bullshit.

I had a friend who just grinded no matter what level of surplus he reached because by the time he got deep into the different levels of surplus it reset thus never allowing me to catch up to him, he was level 24 before the first surplus reset, by then I didn't even try catching him because all he did was grind, no point to even try.

I thought I seen bad when I played vanguard in beta/release but this just blew that out of the water on just how bad this game is. Everytime I see someone defend this game and white knighting I have to pinch myself to see if i'm dreaming. The only people who are seriously white knighting for this game are people who are:

1. Trolling just to get a rise out of the majority of the people who are just awestruck of this awful awful game.

2. Saving face because they got pwned by SE and were led on by how great this game was so they upgraded or built a new PC, pre-bought anywhere from 2-6 months worth of crysta and paid 80$ for the Collector's edition.

3. Extremely delusional people who have not played any other MMO's but FFXI and FFXIV and cannot relate to any other MMO's that had better releases yet failed pretty hard.

I feel like SE conned a lot of people out of 80$ plus the non-refundable crysta they bought prior to this game coming out. By this time in 02 about a month into XI's release the first version update was out, chocobo's and AH's were also in the game, think about that for a minute or two and laugh. I am so glad I cancelled and have no intention of ever playing this shit again lol, I gave them 1 chance after XI and they blew it horribly.

[Hyan]

because SE is lazy

lol

But the important question here is: when will you stop caring?

[Achitophel]

Yep, SE made the most un-fun game i've probably EVER played since gaming on the NES in the mid 80's. The game has serious fundamental issues that I just don't even care how much the game gets patched, what content gets put out because SE is lazy and no amount of messages from the director or dev team is going to change my mind. You had critical bugs reported on the BETA forums since july, fucking july, a forum that was supposed to be monitored by SE yet just about every single one of those bugs made it to retail.

Exp bug from a three + man party was reported in ALPHA, pre-june and spammed over and over again up until almost 3+ weeks into retail until it got corrected on oct 8th, thats a pathetic response from a company that constantly says they're listening. None of the shit they promised is true, I don't know how this game didn't get labeled as false advertising from previous interviews before the alpha even started. They said repeatedly how this game was all about for the casual player, how surplus was intended to allow casuals to keep up with the hardcore, there was not going to be levels and the game would be seamless, all of that was 100% bullshit.

I had a friend who just grinded no matter what level of surplus he reached because by the time he got deep into the different levels of surplus it reset thus never allowing me to catch up to him, he was level 24 before the first surplus reset, by then I didn't even try catching him because all he did was grind, no point to even try.

I thought I seen bad when I played vanguard in beta/release but this just blew that out of the water on just how bad this game is. Everytime I see someone defend this game and white knighting I have to pinch myself to see if i'm dreaming. The only people who are seriously white knighting for this game are people who are:

1. Trolling just to get a rise out of the majority of the people who are just awestruck of this awful awful game.

2. Saving face because they got pwned by SE and were led on by how great this game was so they upgraded or built a new PC, pre-bought anywhere from 2-6 months worth of crysta and paid 80$ for the Collector's edition.

3. Extremely delusional people who have not played any other MMO's but FFXI and FFXIV and cannot relate to any other MMO's that had better releases yet failed pretty hard.

I feel like SE conned a lot of people out of 80$ plus the non-refundable crysta they bought prior to this game coming out. By this time in 02 about a month into XI's release the first version update was out, chocobo's and AH's were also in the game, think about that for a minute or two and laugh. I am so glad I cancelled and have no intention of ever playing this shit again lol, I gave them 1 chance after XI and they blew it horribly.

I'm glad you took the time to tell us that you don't like the game.

[CasualPlayer]

Yep, SE made the most un-fun game i've probably EVER played since gaming on the NES in the mid 80's. The game has serious fundamental issues that I just don't even care how much the game gets patched, what content gets put out because SE is lazy and no amount of messages from the director or dev team is going to change my mind. You had critical bugs reported on the BETA forums since july, fucking july, a forum that was supposed to be monitored by SE yet just about every single one of those bugs made it to retail.

Exp bug from a three + man party was reported in ALPHA, pre-june and spammed over and over again up until almost 3+ weeks into retail until it got corrected on oct 8th, thats a pathetic response from a company that constantly says they're listening. None of the shit they promised is true, I don't know how this game didn't get labeled as false advertising from previous interviews before the alpha even started. They said repeatedly how this game was all about for the casual player, how surplus was intended to allow casuals to keep up with the hardcore, there was not going to be levels and the game would be seamless, all of that was 100% bullshit.

I had a friend who just grinded no matter what level of surplus he reached because by the time he got deep into the different levels of surplus it reset thus never allowing me to catch up to him, he was level 24 before the first surplus reset, by then I didn't even try catching him because all he did was grind, no point to even try.

I thought I seen bad when I played vanguard in beta/release but this just blew that out of the water on just how bad this game is. Everytime I see someone defend this game and white knighting I have to pinch myself to see if i'm dreaming. The only people who are seriously white knighting for this game are people who are:

1. Trolling just to get a rise out of the majority of the people who are just awestruck of this awful awful game.

2. Saving face because they got pwned by SE and were led on by how great this game was so they upgraded or built a new PC, pre-bought anywhere from 2-6 months worth of crysta and paid 80$ for the Collector's edition.

3. Extremely delusional people who have not played any other MMO's but FFXI and FFXIV and cannot relate to any other MMO's that had better releases yet failed pretty hard.

I feel like SE conned a lot of people out of 80$ plus the non-refundable crysta they bought prior to this game coming out. By this time in 02 about a month into XI's release the first version update was out, chocobo's and AH's were also in the game, think about that for a minute or two and laugh. I am so glad I cancelled and have no intention of ever playing this shit again lol, I gave them 1 chance after XI and they blew it horribly.

Yawn...

The anger you feel towards the game right now is the same anger I feel over wasting the time it took to read your post.

[Eldoras]

Yep, SE made the most un-fun game i've probably EVER played since gaming on the NES in the mid 80's. The game has serious fundamental issues that I just don't even care how much the game gets patched, what content gets put out because SE is lazy and no amount of messages from the director or dev team is going to change my mind. You had critical bugs reported on the BETA forums since july, fucking july, a forum that was supposed to be monitored by SE yet just about every single one of those bugs made it to retail.

Exp bug from a three + man party was reported in ALPHA, pre-june and spammed over and over again up until almost 3+ weeks into retail until it got corrected on oct 8th, thats a pathetic response from a company that constantly says they're listening. None of the shit they promised is true, I don't know how this game didn't get labeled as false advertising from previous interviews before the alpha even started. They said repeatedly how this game was all about for the casual player, how surplus was intended to allow casuals to keep up with the hardcore, there was not going to be levels and the game would be seamless, all of that was 100% bullshit.

I had a friend who just grinded no matter what level of surplus he reached because by the time he got deep into the different levels of surplus it reset thus never allowing me to catch up to him, he was level 24 before the first surplus reset, by then I didn't even try catching him because all he did was grind, no point to even try.

I thought I seen bad when I played vanguard in beta/release but this just blew that out of the water on just how bad this game is. Everytime I see someone defend this game and white knighting I have to pinch myself to see if i'm dreaming. The only people who are seriously white knighting for this game are people who are:

1. Trolling just to get a rise out of the majority of the people who are just awestruck of this awful awful game.

2. Saving face because they got pwned by SE and were led on by how great this game was so they upgraded or built a new PC, pre-bought anywhere from 2-6 months worth of crysta and paid 80$ for the Collector's edition.

3. Extremely delusional people who have not played any other MMO's but FFXI and FFXIV and cannot relate to any other MMO's that had better releases yet failed pretty hard.

I feel like SE conned a lot of people out of 80$ plus the non-refundable crysta they bought prior to this game coming out. By this time in 02 about a month into XI's release the first version update was out, chocobo's and AH's were also in the game, think about that for a minute or two and laugh. I am so glad I cancelled and have no intention of ever playing this shit again lol, I gave them 1 chance after XI and they blew it horribly.

So let me get this straight you've been gaming since the 80's and this is far and away the worse game ever because of glitches that had existed since Alpha/Beta? They also had chocobo's and AH's out in 2 months after release of the game. As many problems as FF 14 has, you deserve to get flamed for the following moronic reasons dear sir:

1) Game officially releases September 21/30 so adding 2 months to that total and comparing it to FF11 not only means your math is off retard but I also think people who think its easy to reprogram games suddenly became PhD's in software engineering and development and assume this sh*t is easy. Hey guess fu**tard I used to do that and it ain't easy so get off your high-horse jacka@@. Reprogramming sh*t ain't like flipping burgers at your work and still fudging the order up because your too illiterate to read sh*t. At least SE is a step up from Burger King.
2) And flawed glitches appearing since Alpha AND *OMG* Beta too! Can it be?!?! Is this the first time this ever occured in MMO history? I mean glitches reported in an alpha/beta and still appearing after launch only occured in Aion, Fallen Earth, LoTR, Conan, WoW, Eve, EQ2, Ultima, EQ, Vanguard,Earth:AB, Star Wars and so on. Damn we should just burn the whole lot of mmo's that release games with glitches appearing since alpha/beta. Get over yourself and this fact. It ain't a console game, its an mmo. Once you accept that fact you'll live more stress free.
3) And this is a comment directed to the sort of bunch that prefer their mmo's in convenient, easy-to-use kiddy-school versions: this ain't WoW. Fact is for me this is still far and under a lower learning curve than Eve-online. Maybe people hate it because its (1) difficult, (2) so damn open that it feels like a sandbox at times with no demands on what to do, (3) your racing to be the highest level for an end-game that isn't here yet so seriously or (4) or are too lazy to read posts, make parties and hate the fact that unlike FF11 you can't max out blu or cor in 4 days flat via power level. If any of these 4 points apply to you, you'll hate the game. It isn't made to be easy and yea it an mmo that has issues and that goes hand-to-hand. And I'd actually say Aion probably had a worse release via "hey i paid for early access and couldn't access the game 3 weeks late". So for your "I've played since the 80's" you seem to have the memory of playing only since FF14 came out.

Like I said get off your high-horse and stop whining. Either go back to WoW where even my 10 year-old nephew who could never manage to beat Maat ever in FF11 can somehow manage to be in raids every night and still own a piece of epic armor.

[Lucavi]

^ Your cousin is pretty retarded. Just sayin'.

[Charismatic]

They also had chocobo's and AH's out in 2 months after release of the game. As many problems as FF 14 has

false

[BlackheartX]

So let me get this straight you've been gaming since the 80's and this is far and away the worse game ever because of glitches that had existed since Alpha/Beta? They also had chocobo's and AH's out in 2 months after release of the game. As many problems as FF 14 has, you deserve to get flamed for the following moronic reasons dear sir:

1) Game officially releases September 21/30 so adding 2 months to that total and comparing it to FF11 not only means your math is off retard but I also think people who think its easy to reprogram games suddenly became PhD's in software engineering and development and assume this sh*t is easy. Hey guess fu**tard (UMADBRAH?) I used to do that and it ain't easy so get off your high-horse jacka@@. Reprogramming sh*t ain't like flipping burgers at your work and still fudging the order up because your too illiterate to read sh*t. At least SE is a step up from Burger King.(Something about a high horse and such followed by more UMAD)
2) And flawed glitches appearing since Alpha AND *OMG* Beta too! Can it be?!?! Is this the first time this ever occured in MMO history? I mean glitches reported in an alpha/beta and still appearing after launch only occured in Aion, Fallen Earth, LoTR, Conan, WoW, Eve, EQ2, Ultima, EQ, Vanguard,Earth:AB, Star Wars and so on. Damn we should just burn the whole lot of mmo's that release games with glitches appearing since alpha/beta. Get over yourself and this fact. It ain't a console game, its an mmo. Once you accept that fact you'll live more stress free.
3) And this is a comment directed to the sort of bunch that prefer their mmo's in convenient, easy-to-use kiddy-school versions: this ain't WoW. (FFXIV is all grown up kids because it's a job (Fixed!)) Fact is for me this is still far and under a lower learning curve than Eve-online (Let me get my time machine... hold on it's here somewhere. Maybe people hate it because its (1) difficult(to have fun (Fixed!)), (2) so damn open that it feels like a sandbox at times with no demands on what to do,(Is the room spinning to anyonelse?) (3) your racing to be the highest level for an end-game that isn't here yet so seriously or (4) or are too lazy to read posts, make parties and hate the fact that unlike FF11 you can't max out blu or cor in 4 days flat via power level. If any of these 4 points apply to you, you'll hate the game. It isn't made to be fun or coherent (Fixed!) and yea it an mmo that has issues and that goes hand-to-hand with poor development choices (Moar Fixed!). And I'd actually say Aion probably had a worse release via "hey i paid for early access and couldn't access the game 3 weeks late". So for your "I've played since the 80's" you seem to have the memory of playing only since FF14 came out.

Like I said get off your high-horse and stop whining. Either go back to WoW where even my 10 year-old retarded nephew (Fixed!) who could never manage to beat Maat ever in FF11 can somehow manage to be in raids every night and still own a piece of epic armor because the development team nerfs old content for retards (Fixed).

"The game is so damn open that it feels like a sandbox at times with no demands on what to do" this is the most LOL thing anyone has said in some time. Copy-Paste world is so open it puts no demands on you besides doing the same leves over and over again to progress or craft in the same mini-game you've played a thousand times to progress. The story has no rhyme or reason and is about as deep as a WOW text based junk quest that isn't tied to the plot of the game or what's happening in a specific area. The best way to describe this game is APB with even less modes and purpose.

[Hyan]

Blackheartx: Now comes with an all new troll-mode.

[Alderaan]

So let me get this straight you've been gaming since the 80's and this is far and away the worse game ever because of glitches that had existed since Alpha/Beta? They also had chocobo's and AH's out in 2 months after release of the game. As many problems as FF 14 has, you deserve to get flamed for the following moronic reasons dear sir:

1) Game officially releases September 21/30 so adding 2 months to that total and comparing it to FF11 not only means your math is off retard but I also think people who think its easy to reprogram games suddenly became PhD's in software engineering and development and assume this sh*t is easy. Hey guess fu**tard I used to do that and it ain't easy so get off your high-horse jacka@@. Reprogramming sh*t ain't like flipping burgers at your work and still fudging the order up because your too illiterate to read sh*t. At least SE is a step up from Burger King.
2) And flawed glitches appearing since Alpha AND *OMG* Beta too! Can it be?!?! Is this the first time this ever occured in MMO history? I mean glitches reported in an alpha/beta and still appearing after launch only occured in Aion, Fallen Earth, LoTR, Conan, WoW, Eve, EQ2, Ultima, EQ, Vanguard,Earth:AB, Star Wars and so on. Damn we should just burn the whole lot of mmo's that release games with glitches appearing since alpha/beta. Get over yourself and this fact. It ain't a console game, its an mmo. Once you accept that fact you'll live more stress free.
3) And this is a comment directed to the sort of bunch that prefer their mmo's in convenient, easy-to-use kiddy-school versions: this ain't WoW. Fact is for me this is still far and under a lower learning curve than Eve-online. Maybe people hate it because its (1) difficult, (2) so damn open that it feels like a sandbox at times with no demands on what to do, (3) your racing to be the highest level for an end-game that isn't here yet so seriously or (4) or are too lazy to read posts, make parties and hate the fact that unlike FF11 you can't max out blu or cor in 4 days flat via power level. If any of these 4 points apply to you, you'll hate the game. It isn't made to be easy and yea it an mmo that has issues and that goes hand-to-hand. And I'd actually say Aion probably had a worse release via "hey i paid for early access and couldn't access the game 3 weeks late". So for your "I've played since the 80's" you seem to have the memory of playing only since FF14 came out.

Like I said get off your high-horse and stop whining. Either go back to WoW where even my 10 year-old nephew who could never manage to beat Maat ever in FF11 can somehow manage to be in raids every night and still own a piece of epic armor.

1) There shouldn't even need to be any sort of reprogramming if they learned a damn thing from FFXI.

2) It is a console game. The core of the game is flawed.

3) It's not difficult or anything closely resembling a sandbox in any way, shape, or form. Aion had a much better release and is, unfortunately, a much better game (which is sad).

Like i've said before, expressing opinion is not whining. Stop using the all too fucking cliche "go back to WoW", and understand how much of a disappointment FFXIV is.

[Hyan]

Like i've said before, expressing opinion is not whining.

I'd like to hear what is whining then?

[miokomioko]

1) There shouldn't even need to be any sort of reprogramming if they learned a damn thing from FFXI.

Granted, there are a few basic functions that existed in XI that should have been prioritized to implement into XIV... however, it is not that simple.

[Dooom]

There's a difference between saying "this sucks" and whining that "this sucks". It's all in the tone.

[BlackheartX]

Blackheartx: Now comes with an all new troll-mode.

Not nearly enough flaming in this thread.

[Lordender]

So let me get this straight you've been gaming since the 80's and this is far and away the worse game ever because of glitches that had existed since Alpha/Beta? They also had chocobo's and AH's out in 2 months after release of the game. As many problems as FF 14 has, you deserve to get flamed for the following moronic reasons dear sir:

1) Game officially releases September 21/30 so adding 2 months to that total and comparing it to FF11 not only means your math is off retard but I also think people who think its easy to reprogram games suddenly became PhD's in software engineering and development and assume this sh*t is easy. Hey guess fu**tard I used to do that and it ain't easy so get off your high-horse jacka@@. Reprogramming sh*t ain't like flipping burgers at your work and still fudging the order up because your too illiterate to read sh*t. At least SE is a step up from Burger King.
2) And flawed glitches appearing since Alpha AND *OMG* Beta too! Can it be?!?! Is this the first time this ever occured in MMO history? I mean glitches reported in an alpha/beta and still appearing after launch only occured in Aion, Fallen Earth, LoTR, Conan, WoW, Eve, EQ2, Ultima, EQ, Vanguard,Earth:AB, Star Wars and so on. Damn we should just burn the whole lot of mmo's that release games with glitches appearing since alpha/beta. Get over yourself and this fact. It ain't a console game, its an mmo. Once you accept that fact you'll live more stress free.
3) And this is a comment directed to the sort of bunch that prefer their mmo's in convenient, easy-to-use kiddy-school versions: this ain't WoW. Fact is for me this is still far and under a lower learning curve than Eve-online. Maybe people hate it because its (1) difficult, (2) so damn open that it feels like a sandbox at times with no demands on what to do, (3) your racing to be the highest level for an end-game that isn't here yet so seriously or (4) or are too lazy to read posts, make parties and hate the fact that unlike FF11 you can't max out blu or cor in 4 days flat via power level. If any of these 4 points apply to you, you'll hate the game. It isn't made to be easy and yea it an mmo that has issues and that goes hand-to-hand. And I'd actually say Aion probably had a worse release via "hey i paid for early access and couldn't access the game 3 weeks late". So for your "I've played since the 80's" you seem to have the memory of playing only since FF14 came out.

Like I said get off your high-horse and stop whining. Either go back to WoW where even my 10 year-old nephew who could never manage to beat Maat ever in FF11 can somehow manage to be in raids every night and still own a piece of epic armor.

You're a fuckin retard. The point is they did nothing to improve the game after an entire spring of Alpha testing and an entire summer of BETA testing which lead to a 250+ page thread on the testing forums documenting all the fails that needed to be fixed yet just about every bug that was reported during the SUMMER STILL showed up in retail, not only is that lazy but utterly ridiculous. The game is also not fun, what is the point of a game that is not fun and feels like a job? Why should anyone play a game that feels like work?

What bugs you might say?

Exp bug, reported in ALPHA that did not get fixed until oct, 8th. How do you even release a game where the progression, core of the game doesn't even work properly?
Switching from a disciple of hand to a war class sometimes keeps stone throw on your number 1 bar until you relog.
Dying sometimes puts you in permanent walk mode until a piece of equipment is removed/requipped.
The famous mob resetting and healing large amounts of hp seconds after engaging the mob which made certain leve's impossible.
Not really a bug but the massive complaints about the random skill gains which STILL haven't been addressed.
there was a lot of other bugs also reported.

The fact you even tell me to go back to WoW just further tells me just how stupid you are and why you should be beaten with a fucking baseball bat for being a blinded fan-girl.


Atleast I have a valid complaints with substance and have played enough MMO's at release to know when something is just so awful it completely mindfucks you to the point where you ask yourself did that really just happen? SE took a pile of shit to a whole new level, they really cranked up the fucking diarrhea dial with this one.