FFXIV Flame Wars Thread: because ten threads is not enough threads

[Eaglestrike]

Believe it or not, there's a decent amount of people that care about story/lore/etc. For myself, for example, WoW does not deliver any story that I would ever give a shit about in any way. XI, XIV, and LOTRO do.

Interesting how you say that when one of the more intriguing parts of WoW is the story for me.

But deciding an MMO based on story is retarded at best. I loved playing FFXI for the story.

"Oh sweet, patch day! New missions!"
*4 hours later*
"And back to waiting for the next patch in 3 months..."

Yes! That's a good reason to give your allegiance to a game!

WoW is one of the ugliest games to ever gain success and the setting couldn't be more stupid, but they seem to do some cool things with story(in respect to MMOs). The events they do are interesting. Though the fact they are both temporary and important annoys me.

The fact that they have important events in a changing world of an MMO annoys you? Do you know what storytelling is?

[Riposte]

Yes and yes.

[Eaglestrike]

And you know that typically in a good story...things change, right? And therefore that makes things temporary, because you know, it changes.

[Riposte]

They change in front of me, on my command. I dislike not having the story center around me, to be cut out of it, that is the cost of having a truly "MMO" story.

[Eaglestrike]

So you dislike any story that makes any real sense, got it.

[Riposte]

What the hell are you talking about?

[Lucavi]

You dislike stories where you aren't the central catalyst for change? Did you like the Dynamis story? You weren't even close to being the central figure in that.

Story is story, IMO, as long as its written well. FFXI had plenty of "you're the man now, Dawg!" moments, but you never, ever received recognition for your acts by anyone. You saved the world time and again and everyone still treated you like shit. With proper phasing, that could have been very different. It was the most annoying thing about XI's plot, regardless of how good or bad the build-up to those moments were.

At least in WoW I felt like "somebody", not just some random adventurer that happened to stumble onto the biggest events of the world, change them (most of the time single-handedly or with a party of 6), and yet receive no recognition from anyone save one or two people that you'll really never see again (IE. Prishe, the Princess in ToAU, Raogrimm, ect.). No special discounts at shops or flavor text by random NPCs or anything ala Fallout. No visible world-changes. Not even a different look or outlook by the game. You just win and go back to salvage for more gear.

[Riposte]

You dislike stories where you aren't the central catalyst for change?

What? No

EDIT: This kind of stuff

http://www.wowwiki.com/Event#World_Events

It is very cool, but annoying for the reasons I stated.

If I am right, Guild Wars 2 has a cool compromise.

[CasualPlayer]

Holy fucking shit.......

People arguing which game is better now between the shitty f2p games and ffxiv? Seriously? How much development do you really think will go in a free to play game?

14 could've released better sure but don't say its not going to catch up. Hell by Dec. it will be fine. The only real question at this point is whether or not PS3 will bring in enough new subs in March.

[Riposte]

Free to play doesn't always mean bad. At least not anymore.

[Alderaan]

If the game is developed in the west then ftp is a viable option.

LOTRO is a very good PVE MMO.

Then there's the whole "ftp is the future of mmo's" discussion for another time perhaps.

[dubs]

Holy fucking shit.......

People arguing which game is better now between the shitty f2p games and ffxiv? Seriously? How much development do you really think will go in a free to play game?

14 could've released better sure but don't say its not going to catch up. Hell by Dec. it will be fine. The only real question at this point is whether or not PS3 will bring in enough new subs in March.

Yay, CP has returned! Thank god, Mioko and Hyan really tried, but frankly they lack your skills. I suspect it is because Mioko only plays XIV as the worst fishing simulator ever created so has little idea of how bad the game actually is. Hyan on the other hand just doesn't seem all that comfortable being the town fool. He tries, but the shoes don't fit well.

[Eaglestrike]

No f2p MMO I've played has had the interface lag that BOTH FF MMO's have had.

[Hyan]

Then there's the whole "ftp is the future of mmo's" discussion for another time perhaps.

Goddamn, this is seriously the worst thing that could ever happen.

I don't believe it for a second though. Otherwise we're doomed.

EDIT: Eurogamer & Tanaka:

"We received a lot of feedback from the beta tests. The development team should have focused on shaping up the game during the beta process, but because we were really concentrating on de-bugging the game – fixing all the bugs – that's one of the reasons why we were not able to have all the requests implemented during the beta process.

"That's why we do understand the reaction from the players, now the game's out. Therefore, the development team is working really hard to bring it back to the level we planned to have ready for the players."

In other words: We rushed, solly.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/20...t-expectations

[Ksandra]

What? No

EDIT: This kind of stuff

http://www.wowwiki.com/Event#World_Events

It is very cool, but annoying for the reasons I stated.

If I am right, Guild Wars 2 has a cool compromise.

That's not the only changes they do you know. Phasing is done at your command on your time as well.


I think the world events are awesome because they are so major. But they are not the only driving force to changes.

[Lucavi]

What? No

EDIT: This kind of stuff

http://www.wowwiki.com/Event#World_Events

It is very cool, but annoying for the reasons I stated.

If I am right, Guild Wars 2 has a cool compromise.

Alright, fair enough.

[CasualPlayer]

Free to play doesn't always mean bad. At least not anymore.

No it doesn't. It does mean considerably less new content and development though. Which in the long run translates into a worse game in comparison. Whether you call that bad or not is relative.

Yay, CP has returned! Thank god, Mioko and Hyan really tried, but frankly they lack your skills. I suspect it is because Mioko only plays XIV as the worst fishing simulator ever created so has little idea of how bad the game actually is. Hyan on the other hand just doesn't seem all that comfortable being the town fool. He tries, but the shoes don't fit well.

You trolling me bro?!

Seriously, you can say what you want about me and my opinions, but from a long term, unbiased, objective opinion of ffxiv I'm 100% right which is why the black knights troll so hard.

[Shaskoru]

Black/Grey/whatever knight has to be one of the most retarded counters to a meme that I have ever seen. It's right up there with the guy that said "babby" and shit in one of these threads a while back. Although, that last part makes for a hilarious signature.

[Hyan]

I agree, "Black Knight" is even more retarded than White Knight.

And that's quite the feat to accomplish.

I wonder where "XI purist" fits in there..

[CasualPlayer]

^ Thank you for taking the time to tell us your opinions about internet meme's. Now good day sir.