FFXIV Flame Wars Thread: because ten threads is not enough threads

[solracht]

Update notes are up, bitches: http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...e3e9388613fc28

In before "still a turd", "should've been in game since release", "not enough to make playable".

[Hyan]

CAN'T CHANGE THE DESIGN FUCKERS

Shit is probably gonna be bugged as hell though.

[Meresgi]

CAN'T CHANGE THE DESIGN FUCKERS

Shit is probably gonna be bugged as hell though.

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[perkin8tor]

Is there no friggin way to get rid of the music while the game updates? Shit even when it's minimized I hear the damn Gridania theme. And no I shouldn't have to turn my speakers off.

[bruiser]

Is there no friggin way to get rid of the music while the game updates? Shit even when it's minimized I hear the damn Gridania theme. And no I shouldn't have to turn my speakers off.

Are you running Windows 7? If so, click your speaker icon, then click Mixer. You can mute the audio for individual applications there. Vista might have this too, not sure. Windows XP definitely does not though.

[perkin8tor]

Are you running Windows 7? If so, click your speaker icon, then click Mixer. You can mute the audio for individual applications there. Vista might have this too, not sure. Windows XP definitely does not though.

Props, thanks a bunch, you made me ^________^

[bruiser]

Props, thanks a bunch, you made me ^________^

Yea I use this all the time for FFXIV lol. Because the audio options in the configuration, even if you turn them all the way to 0, the audio still plays! lol.

[Charismatic]

No, its just more of the same for every MMO.

MMO A: You grind like a chinese fucker but has a lot of shinies
MMO B: You grind like a half braindead retard but the shinies are dull and not really shiney
MMO C: You grind in between, and the shininess of the shinies is in between too

No MMO has a BETTER shiney grind, they are just on different levels. I've yet to see any MMO with super nice shinies (Read most Asian MMOs) while still having a decent leveling experience (Most Western MMOs)

Hell if I was going to build an MMO id just recruit an asian art team and a western leveling team.



I dont even understand where you took the idea that I don't get that MMO's are shiney grinds...seeing as I actually said "All MMOs are shiney grinds" in my post.

Just stupid I guess.

[Lucavi]

CAN'T CHANGE THE DESIGN FUCKERS

Shit is probably gonna be bugged as hell though.

Call me when that new keyboard UI is done and released! Until then, no designs have changed, just tweaks to existing ones~

[Katlan]

Game seems like it's in the right direction, though I'm waiting for a UI that doesn't suck donkey balls

[Lucavi]

At least we know its on its way.

[Hyan]

Call me when that new keyboard UI is done and released! Until then, no designs have changed, just tweaks to existing ones~

Well that is completely retarded, but okay LOL

From random to not-random sounds like more than just fine-tuning to me (and does much more good than a new UI), but gotta keep up appearences I guess.

[Lucavi]

It has nothing to do with appearance. Random to not random is a tweak of the code, and everyone saw that coming a mile away based on the overwhelming amount of backlash from essentially restricting a player's level progress to that of a RNG system. A brand new UI for keyboard users, and the choice to pick between a keyboard-friendly (read: every current mainstream PC-onry MMO) UI or a traditional pad controller (read: every FF to date) UI is a design change, and one that was not widely thought possible, given SE's "amazing" track record of supporting PC players of any of their games, and one that was never hinted at or widely speculated at until post-release. You obviously never understood what I meant by a design change.

[Hyan]

You obviously never understood what I meant by a design change.

Oh, of course I did. You just have your own rules.

By the sound of many people here, changing exp from random to not-random was not seen as possible. Nor was it even hinted at.

But of course only things that you consider important apply here.

[Lucavi]

You'd better go back to OB posts if you seriously thought that nobody assumed that SE would eventually dump the RNG system for SP. The only thing that was truly debatable was when; it was never a matter of if.

[Hyan]

You'd better go back to OB posts if you seriously thought that nobody assumed that SE would eventually dump the RNG system for SP. The only thing that was truly debatable was when; it was never a matter of if.

Oh, quite a few people did. "Can't fix design", that's what they mumbled.

"It was a design decision, not a bug".

Of course when "changing design" doesn't mean "how much impact it has on the game", and instead "how much work it takes to implement", things change.

Although that is seriously a hilarious way to look at it.

[Lythesia]

Was sticking it out for this update, really pleased with ui changes....BUT,

anything good is completely overshadowed by sp nerf from what we were getting in parties. Before this, we had a fun time every night getting familiar faces into a raptor pt and loving our sp gains. It was some semblance of fun...

Now, our pt broke after 40 mins of futile experimentation trying to find a mob or pt size where sp was REMOTELY close to what we got before....and all my LS and FL buddies (who have been sticking with this game in spite of everything for soooo long) logged within 2hrs. We expected even more fun grouping because we thought the leveling experience would be easier and more fun together after patch....

No. Terrible: bad, slow, longer, frustrating, repetitive, and NOW WITH EVEN LESS sp/hr gained. Oh, and now instead of having social fun as a group, u get to drop pt and go solo some stupid cobblyns.

I was wary of having to pay before update, I'm not even going to log on until/if SE announces a huuuuge sp overhaul....like tomorrow.

[Hyan]

Sounds like they just need to enable the bonus for groups again.

[Lucavi]

Oh, quite a few people did. "Can't fix design", that's what they mumbled.

"It was a design decision, not a bug".

Of course when "changing design" doesn't mean "how much impact it has on the game", and instead "how much work it takes to implement", things change.

Although that is seriously a hilarious way to look at it.

I don't really care what "other people" did. I'm talking about you and me. If someone else said it, then yeah, rub it in their face.

The only design decisions I mentioned were the UI and the server ping-pong decisions. One I was wrong with, as they're working on rightfully giving PC players a PC-oriented UI, and time will tell with the other, although I doubt it'll change if they keep refining the system and the subs go back up around PS3 launch.

@Lyth: You'd really save yourself a lot of late-night grief and anxiety if you'd just watch the updates with a semi-discerning eye from a distance and just wait till PS3 launch when most all of this shit will will either be fixed or cemented as "core philosophies".

It makes the topsy-turvy ride a bit more bearable.

[Neoscrilla]

Was sticking it out for this update, really pleased with ui changes....BUT,

anything good is completely overshadowed by sp nerf from what we were getting in parties. Before this, we had a fun time every night getting familiar faces into a raptor pt and loving our sp gains. It was some semblance of fun...

Now, our pt broke after 40 mins of futile experimentation trying to find a mob or pt size where sp was REMOTELY close to what we got before....and all my LS and FL buddies (who have been sticking with this game in spite of everything for soooo long) logged within 2hrs. We expected even more fun grouping because we thought the leveling experience would be easier and more fun together after patch....

No. Terrible: bad, slow, longer, frustrating, repetitive, and NOW WITH EVEN LESS sp/hr gained. Oh, and now instead of having social fun as a group, u get to drop pt and go solo some stupid cobblyns.

I was wary of having to pay before update, I'm not even going to log on until/if SE announces a huuuuge sp overhaul....like tomorrow.

This is exactly what my and my friends did last night. Shit sucked, guess ill be crafting only now, yay.