Obama's get rich quick scheme: Adopting a VAT Tax.

[Drex]

None of this matters, we pretty much have a recession once every 10 years anyway.

guess we should just throw our hands up and say fuck it, amirite?

lol

[Clash Perez]

Two years of maternity leave for every previously-working mother in the country, eh?

That sounds like a wonderful idea. As a man with no intent to procreate, I can't think of a more worthy cause for my tax dollars.

As a non-smoker, I also love the idea of frequent smoke breaks for smokers.

[Omnipotent]

guess we should just throw our hands up and say fuck it, amirite?

lol

Right on!

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[Kuya]

Two years of maternity leave for every previously-working mother in the country, eh?

That sounds like a wonderful idea. As a man with no intent to procreate, I can't think of a more worthy cause for my tax dollars.

As a non-smoker, I also love the idea of frequent smoke breaks for smokers.

Yea, what about ME

[archibaldcrane]

So, all this talk about Health Care being completely unfunded - did the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office make a huge mistake when they said it was budget-positive, or is the opinion columnist pulling shit out of his ass?

[Kuya]

Why the rhetorical question?

[Yugl]

It's either the economy or the debt. Try to spend to promote economic activity; some conservative fag bitches.

Try to raise taxes to decrease debt; some conservative fag bitches.

I would prefer option A, but that conservative fag is still gonna bitch.

Maybe we should record conservative fags being themselves. That will put a stop to their stops! Or they'll stop themselves.

[SwampdonkeyPLD]

So, all this talk about Health Care being completely unfunded - did the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office make a huge mistake when they said it was budget-positive, or is the opinion columnist pulling shit out of his ass?

They were correct, but the Dem's used accounting tricks to make it so.

For example, spending doesn't kick fully kick in until 2014, thus it was neutral for the FIRST 10 years, but not after.

[Clash Perez]

I have no problem helping those in need. Lost your job in the shitty economy? Probably not your fault; I'll help out. Healthcare for the nation? Sure, we all get sick, and noone gets to pick his genes.

I don't see the point in funding entirely optional choices. Want a kid? Then pay for it.

[Lucavi]

wat?

Mah bad, Kuno. Rushed my typing. :3

[archibaldcrane]

Why the rhetorical question?

I honestly don't know. The columnist is pretty specific about why he thinks the "budget neutral" claims are bullshit, and Obama's budget deficit from now until 2020 is projected to be larger than every single other year in American history - the money is going somewhere (or not coming from somewhere). If the new health care bill is a non-factor, what is? I know reduced tax revenue due to tax cuts and the recession is part of it, but are we expecting this recession to last for the next 9 years?

I just don't know where the money is going.

[Vuitton]

Pretty sure the men get paid paternity leave as well. Hell, even the men here at the law firm I work for get paid paternity leave, and this is in America! And to stay on topic, I don't oppose VAT. For as much as the U.S. promotes global integration they sure are individually selfish. It is funny how that plays out here at home in regards to social services. The U.S. should strive to have standards of living as high as those in Finland and Sweden. Because as it stands now the standard of living in The United States is quite embarrasingly low compared to other developed nations.

[archibaldcrane]

They were correct, but the Dem's used accounting tricks to make it so.

For example, spending doesn't kick fully kick in until 2014, thus it was neutral for the FIRST 10 years, but not after.

So the accounting tricks are in the bill and the CBO didn't realize they were obfuscating the facts, or the "Dems" said "it's budget-positive, take us at our word" and the CBO did so? I highly doubt it's the latter.

[Omnipotent]

I honestly don't know. The columnist is pretty specific about why he thinks the "budget neutral" claims are bullshit, and Obama's budget deficit from now until 2020 is projected to be larger than every single other year in American history - the money is going somewhere (or not coming from somewhere). If the new health care bill is a non-factor, what is? I know reduced tax revenue due to tax cuts and the recession is part of it, but are we expecting this recession to last for the next 9 years?

I just don't know where the money is going.

Nor we do know how so much drugs get into the U.S, Or Aliens exist, or 9/11 could have been prevented.. or.. or... our government as a tendency to tel us a lot, while keeping a lot from us at the same time.

[Rhinox]

I know the OP wasn't retarded enough to post a Charles Krauthammer OPed and pass it off as gospel is he?

This is old and has been debunked several times. Not even Krauthammer is championing this conspiracy theory anymore

[Rhinox]

ITT: people who know very little about economics posting about economics. myself included of course.

[SwampdonkeyPLD]

So the accounting tricks are in the bill and the CBO didn't realize they were obfuscating the facts, or the "Dems" said "it's budget-positive, take us at our word" and the CBO did so? I highly doubt it's the latter.

It's not literally a "trick" on the CBO. Everyone knows that when the CBO rates a bill it does so for the first 10 years. That's what it did here, it rated the bill for the first 10 years, and for the first 10 years it won't raise our deficit. This is so b/c spending doesn't kick in 2014. There's only 4 years of spending in the bill for the first 10 years which are offset by other cuts. Therefore, according to the CBO, it is deficit neutral.

But after those 10 years it is not deficit neutral.

Edit: I could be wrong about the deficit neutral thing, but the fundamentally that is what's happening.

[Rhinox]

oh and swampy since HCR was mentioned remember when you posted the video about Nancy pelosi saying we have to pass the HCR bill before we can know whats in it and giving liberals shit for it?

lol

[SwampdonkeyPLD]

I can't watch the video, gimme the gist of it.

[Rhinox]

WALLACE: But forgive me, sir. I mean, isn't the right time to have the adult conversation now before the election when you have this document? Why not make a single proposal to cut Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid?

BOEHNER: Chris, this is what happens here in Washington. When you start down that path, you just invite all kinds of problems. I know. I've been there. I think we need to do this in a more systemic way and have this conversation first. Let's not get to the potential solutions. Let's make sure Americans understand how big the problem is. Then we can begin to talk about possible solutions and then work ourselves into those solutions that are doable.

In other words lets continue to scare Americans